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molloaggie



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:09 pm Reply with quote
I don't get it. If it's about the N Korean dictator, why is it banned in S Korea?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:12 pm Reply with quote
The Manga portrays Kim Il Jong in a fairly negative light. S. Korea wants to improve relations with N. Korea, and as such has decided to ban some material that could piss off the North Korean leader.
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The Ramblin' Wreck



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:26 pm Reply with quote
Oh no!!

Wouldn't want to piss off a tyrannical, homicidal dictator.

Get some back bone, S. Korea.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:28 pm Reply with quote
Interesting how S. Korea can't win. For years and years they do everything the american's demand, and their own people tell them to get some backbone.

Then they start working on re-unification, despite U.S. objections. But in order to be ob best of terms with their "other half" they do certain things that include (but are nto limited to) banning publications that may offend the North Korean leadership.

And when they do... they're told by Americans to get some backbone.

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The Ramblin' Wreck



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:36 pm Reply with quote
I think we can tell S. Korea to get a backbone.

38,000 of our nation's finest laying under their soil gives us the right. Also, if it wern't for us, they'd be speaking Japanese.

And they wonder why we might be slighty upset.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:51 pm Reply with quote
The South Koreans have the same problem with N. Korea that Taiwan has with China. They don't want to be nuked or invaded, but they also need military support, so they have to appease both their aggressors and the U.S. Of course in the case of S. Korea, the next generation's beginning to show more sympathy towards the north, while viewing us as the aggressors. (It didn't exactly help that our soldiers ran over some S. Korean girls a few months ago either...)

Ramblin': "38,000 of our nation's finest laying under their soil gives us the right."

They died for nothing, just like our soldiers are dying for nothing in Iraq. Vietnam was just the symptom, but N. Korea was the beginning of the problem.

"Also, if it wern't for us, they'd be speaking Japanese."

Technically, the Korean language is derived from Japanese characters. And we didn't really care what the Japanese were doing to them. We only acted when they bombed Pearl Harbor. And as far as I'm concerned, they ended up just exchanging one imperialistic oppressor for another.

Nonetheless, I'm surprised that the Japanese are becoming more tolerant of Korean media in general. As much as it sucks that the younger generation is no longer retaining the values and norms of the older generation, the Japanese value I think they can all live without is xenophobia.
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The Ramblin' Wreck



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:01 pm Reply with quote
What a great equivalence there, GATSU. Us fighting the Cold War has nothing of value to the S. Koreans? I really hope you don't go around a VFW hall spewing that.

If Seoul really wants it that bad, the Reds are more than willing to crush them. N. Korea is an anachronism belonging on the dustbin of history. It's time to exorcise the ghosts of the 20th Century.
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Big K



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:03 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
They died for nothing, just like our soldiers are dying for nothing in Iraq.


I'm not going to say anything except that some of us have close friends and family members over there. Neutral
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:18 pm Reply with quote
*sigh*
This has gotten ugly.

The Ramblin' Wreck wrote:
38,000 of our nation's finest laying under their soil gives us the right. Also, if it wern't for us, they'd be speaking Japanese.


I don't like the sound of this reasoning, nor do I agree with it. South Korea is not a fief of the United States, we can approve or dissaprove of their actions, but we can't make their sovereign decisions for them.

GATSU wrote:
Technically, the Korean language is derived from Japanese characters.


Have you been drinking? That's not in the slightest true. Firstly, Korean probably isn't even related to Japanese, and it's not related to any known language, living or dead. Secondly, the Korean writing system, Han'gul, was created by King Sejong the Great in the 15th century. He was inspired by the block forms of Chinese characters and the alpahbetic nature of Mongolian scripts. And a spoken language can't be derived from a writing system.

The Ramblin Wreck wrote:
Also, if it wern't for us, they'd be speaking Japanese.


Aside from what GATSU pointed out, this illustrates a disturbing trend in American thinking. Firstly, we did nothing, our grandparents did. Secondly, we did the right thing and now all it's good for is lording over people? I don't understand how I could think like that still honor the sacrifices of the soldiers in that war.

And let us not forget that we don't really understand the idea of a country and a people being seperated. yes, the U.S. had the Civil War, but that was won by the north and dubiously glorified by later generations.

GATSU wrote:
They died for nothing, just like our soldiers are dying for nothing in Iraq


That's rather tacky, and spurious.

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GATSU



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:20 pm Reply with quote
Wreck: When you actually see veterans on the street who are begging for change for food, because the Pentagon and White House treats them worse than other governments treat our POW's, then you can talk big.
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The Ramblin' Wreck



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:27 am Reply with quote
Oh, whoppie de flying f%&@ GATSU. I've got 4 veterans in my immediate family (3 Army, 1 Marine).

I really don't even see how that statement even remotely fits into this (rapidly declining) discussion.


Deltharye: My whole point about the folks in Seoul is that, if they aren't careful, they are going to be crushed by N. Korea. Also, if America wasn't positioned on their side of the DMZ, they would be "easy pickens" as we say here in Georgia. To insert a Tolkien quote here: "By our blood are your lands kept free." We saved them from the Imperalists and then the Communists. We shield them at this very hour.

All I'm saying is that if they want to have this huge love-fest with one of the most repressive regimes on the planet, it's like playing with fire. Our boys are going to be in trouble when the shite hits the fan, regardless of how some apparent isolationists/defeatists feel. Our job is to prevent that day from happening. Maybe after the next famine kills another untold thousands, the upper half of the Korean pennisula will regain their collective sanity and enter the real world.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:30 am Reply with quote
Hey, this is Anime News Network, not.. uh... News... Network.

No more politics, I say!

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