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jerowen
Posts: 18 Location: Orlando, Florida |
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http://www.tribnet.com/opinion/story/3732462p-3759193c.html
just saw this over on the adult swim message boards... proof that idiocy is something that you just *can't* fake! 
-- jero |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
 Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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*shrug* She's not calling for the show to be removed or anything. She just thinks TV-PG is the wrong rating for FLCL, and I find it hard to disagree...
From PBS:
I'm not so sure FLCL fits into the "may want to watch with younger children" category. It's easy to see how someone would be concerned over that rating. -Jonathan |
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jerowen
Posts: 18 Location: Orlando, Florida |
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but the thing is, it *is* rated tv-14...
http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/24/03&move=-1&timeZone=EST link to the schedule from last night. -- jero |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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HA! Touché.
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jerowen
Posts: 18 Location: Orlando, Florida |
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but basicly all that proves is that she doesn't really know what she is talking about... which we were pretty much able to surmise already. so we're back where we started...
-- jero |
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lianncoop
Past ANN Contributor
 Posts: 1705 Location: Indiana |
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yes, she knew what she was getting into. Come on...it's Adult Swim...
and she heard that FLCL was enjoyable from some, "young men in their 20s who found it quite entertaining and told my husband to watch it sometime." Had it been some 11 year olds that had suggested they watch it, I could understand her concerns. I just think some people need to open their minds up a little more... |
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Tomoyo714
 Posts: 73 Location: NY State |
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Two things:
1)Does it frighten anyone else that this women says she has been in contact with people? I mean she can't even get her facts straight, but could she do our anime viewing any harm? 2)She complains about not being able to contact Cartoon Network...well how come we can contact her, because I want to tell her what I think of her opinions too! 
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LordByronius
ANN Columnist
 Posts: 861 Location: Philippe for America! He is five. |
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Bah, this is just sensationalist Op-ed bullplop. Some uptight fundie that ran out of rants against the unpatriotic, soul stealing liberals of the country! and now falls back upon the old standby of blaming cartoons for society's ills and problems.
If you wanted to contact her, you could always simply write a letter to the editor. A well-written, well-thought-out letter to the editor. Sorry, kids, but anonymous internet-style ramblings of "shut up you know FLCL is not for teh kids!!!11" won't win you any sort of publication in a non-ad-supported environment. |
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Ian
 Posts: 149 Location: Thaxton, VA |
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This reminds me of a letter sent to Game Informer. I don't have it, but I can sum up what it said.
" I live in a bad neighborhood. The worst kind there is. I see eight year olds beating women to take their money. I see kids hot-wiring cars so they crash them into each other. I see them evading cops everywhere. I see them chop off heads and limbs for fun. Doesnt it sound crazy? So does saying violence in video games ruins children." Not exactly the same but pretty close. There are a few things I could tell the lady, like "Why is your kid up at midnight" "why do you rely on machines to monitor your children" "The disclamer at the beggining is all you should need." And while that last part is true (Scince only FLCL has filled every thing that waning contains) it is the same old back-talk that feeds the same old fire so there is a never ending dispute. If she makes other mothers aware of what's being viewed a midnight, good for her, she's doing everyone a favor. FLCL is a very adult oriented show and shouldn't be viewed by little kids. She won't start an up-roar. Even if she screams too have FLCL taken off air she's too late. According to CN thursday was the last night of FLCL, maybe they'll bring it back later but for now it's gone. Let the woman whine, it's the first word against the show I've heard yet. |
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Ataru
 Posts: 2334 Location: Missouri (Strikeman) |
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If that opinion has taught me one thing, if some young man in their 20's tell me I should watch a certain show, I just might be shocked and/or outraged. But really, that thing about the "lollipop", that was just plain dumb.
"We have been in contact with the Federal Communications Commission, the ACLU and organizations dealing with violence against children. We have been spreading the word to educators and churches to raise public awareness about this incorrect rating." Okay, I can understand the FCC and maybe the ACLU, but violence against childern? Okay, Naota gets hit by a ton of things, but much like all the shows they air with Y7, Y, and G, he bounces back. He might have a bandaid on his head, but jeez, The Kids Next Door (Growups picking on kids, and they series about it.  ) makes FLCL looks alittle clam with violence against children. Thank gooddness Loony Tunes and Tom & Jerry is safe . . . for now (The animal rights people are still out on it. )
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lianncoop
Past ANN Contributor
Posts: 1705 Location: Indiana |
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but like Jerowen said:
So, I don't know where she is coming from with the whole incorrect rating of TV-PG. Ahhh...it's all just so amusing when you break it down... 
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v1cious
 Posts: 6241 Location: Houston, TX |
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you've gotta be kidding me,what a retarded hobag
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MelancholyDevil
 Posts: 311 Location: Louisiana |
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When I become God (I'm still hoping I'll find a genie that'll give 3 wishes, hey, it could happen...Aw who the hell am I kidding), my first act will be to wipe all parent groups from the face of the planet...my second, that'll be to wipe all boybands from the the face of the planet.
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Shorty22
 Posts: 504 |
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Well, based off the few references she gave in her article, I would say that they must have seen Episode 5. That's my favorite episode.
Besides, she makes it sound so much worse than it really was. Quote: "What we saw was nudity below the waist on a teenage girl, kids blowing people's brains out with machine guns, extreme violence and sexual content - all being acted out by adolescent characters." We saw Haruko's butt. Yes, they were using guns, but there was no blood or blown out brains, it was more of a friendly game. Plus wasn't it a popsicle and not a lollipop? Heh. Is it just me, or is she incredibly unobservant in her outrage? Anyway, it's all moot as FLCL isn't currently airing anymore and it's rated TV-14 to begin with. |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
 Posts: 2460 Location: Do not contact me for support. |
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the factual errors aside (TV-14 IS equivalent to PG-13, and thus undermines one of her first points) much of her argument is made on the notion that FLCL is original in that no other cartoon (or late night TV show) has ever attempted to air these sorts of things before.
She fully admits that were it rated "R" (TV-MA) FLCL would not have offended her. We should first, however, compare her claims against other established PG-13 films. A quick search online, shows quite a few PG-13 films (Hulk, 8 Crazy Nights, Solaris) contain brief nudity, violence, crude humor and more. I'm sure someone with time [I don't watch movies] could actually point out specific instances of nudity in theatrical movies. There really isn't a significant difference between the TV medium and the theater medium, particularly with the advent of the V-Chip and other means of automatically censoring broadcasts. A parent can as easily block a TV-PG show as a TV-MA, provided the chip is programmed to do so. A parent can as easily block a child from attending a PG-13 or R movie by simply not getting in the car and taking them; the amount of effort to accomplish both tasks is the same. Nudity below the waist on a teenage girl could've also been the bath scene with Ninamori, where you can see her naked from behind as she prepares to take a bath. We have to consider here whether or not the nudity is actually sexual in nature. If it is, then it's intentionally baiting viewers into watching something for its pornographic potential, rather than for being a TV show. From the soft-light techniques used to blur the lines, to how she sits away from the audience, nothing suggests any potential sexual situation arising from her condition. It's no different than when any other child prepares to take a bath; as much as TV would like us to wear bathing suits in the bathtub. Additionally, nudity (female or male) isn't so uncommon as this columnist thinks -- nudity is a part of humanity, and as such we can find it everywhere we turn, from TV broadcasts and music videos, from classical art to Sunday comics. We find it on the beaches, in the cities and everywhere else. The issue at hand is whether the nudity is base pornography, or whether it has a higher purpose.. and, in this instance, that higher purpose is to illuminate Ninamori's feelings about her father's scandal. Other instances of nudity on TV include the most recent season of Dexter's Lab, where quite a few episodes end with Dexter nude, typically from behind. NYPD Blue has had a history of nudity coupled with sexually charged situations, which warrants a TV-MA rating. From accidental broadcasts to TV Movies ("My Breast") with frontal nudity in non-sexual situations, _nudity_ alone is becoming more widely accepted in entertainment. I'd say that some of the heterosexual (or homosexual) kissing and groping found on prime time television (also rated TV-14) is more sexually explicit than the nudity of FLCL, and thus is much more concerning than a simple bathroom scene. (as an aside: IF FLCL were syndicated, it would be up to the individual channels to set the ratings, and as such a mistake could have been made in her area. This happened with Dragon Ball Z in its early days (in some places being TV-G, while other areas reported TV-14 or TV-MA).. but this CANNOT be the case for FLCL, as Cartoon Network is a nationally broadcasted channel who controls their own broadcasts. If it is TV-14 in Pennsylvania, then it is TV-14 in California, Hawaii and everywhere else that receives the US broadcast feed. Knowing this, we can eliminate the possibility that it was a mistake on CN's part. Instead, it becomes much more likely that she somehow botched her configuration of her V-Chip, rather than anything else.) |
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