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NEWS: U.S. ISPs Start Alert System for Unauthorized Downloads


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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:07 am Reply with quote
Well now this should be fun.
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Viorexx



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:16 am Reply with quote
there are so many way around this.
but at least they are trying to make an effort in stopping pirated stuff.
i hope they dont go to far in the future
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shamisen the great



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 am Reply with quote
While I applaud their attempts to curb illegal downloads, this strikes me as the start of a slippery slope.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23 am Reply with quote
shamisen the great wrote:
While I applaud their attempts to curb illegal downloads, this strikes me as the start of a slippery slope.


Well lets see where the case laws head on this matter. I actually use file sharing legally "by not uploading copyrighted materials" to save personal pics, reviews or other things I created. It's fail-safe for me to have a site like media-fire in-case my hdd crashes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:58 am Reply with quote
When in doubt, go VPN. Razz

I believe the new "Six Strike" system is more the MPAA and RIAA pressuring on the major ISPs to implement something than the ISPs being willing at doing something about it. As this article highlights, there are folks among the ISPs not too thrilled with the new policy and don't think it will be making much (if any) difference.
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Kikaioh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:24 am Reply with quote
I had heard about this in a radio interview with a major ISP representative just a few months ago, and it's sort of a clever work-around for content-providers to discourage piracy while avoiding the costs of outright litigation. I'm curious to see how well it plays out in the future, and how effective their tracking technologies will be in identifying pirates.
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flawed



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:52 am Reply with quote
First of all this is not actually a monitoring system. Basically AntiP2P catch an IP pirating material, they know the IP is registered to specific ISP, they contact that ISP; that ISP then contacts the user registered to that IP [this is no different than it already is for most of those ISPs]. For those of you that aren't downloading [insert copyrighted material name], you have nothing to worry about your ISP or AntiP2P monitoring you [other than a max cap if you have one].

Secondly most of these ISPs already had "warning" and "strikes" systems in place. Comcast and TimeWarner had a strike system and they COULD and DID terminate contracts due to users violating ToS. This has been the norm for at least 5 years [when it didn't work they introduced max caps], and it's still a problem so it's fairly obvious why people are skeptical about it's implementation.

The only thing that has changed here is that each ISP has a bit more uniformity in how violations are handled, though each one does seem to have their own method of implementation.
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joshjoshlol



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:25 am Reply with quote
As far as I'm aware, from numerous articles that I've read, this 6 strikes strategy is only being targeted towards bittorrent usage. So essentially, they're only gearing this towards the lowest of the low hanging fruit of the digital piracy scene. This isn't an assault on piracy, it's an agreement by the large net providers to get the entertainment industry off its back with as hollow of a token gesture as possible.
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mehh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:08 am Reply with quote
I agree with Josh, Large ISPs are just being pressured into implementing something by the entertainment industry (I can bet on it that the MPAA will be involved massively)

As long as this is all we get, there should be no complaints about Privacy, any further than this then things could get pretty out of control fast. Bittorrent monitoring is nothing new and nothing difficult to bypass (VPN/Seedbox being the two most secure) this is really nothing to worry about as long as you aren't brain dead when it comes to computers you wont get caught anyway. Anti P2P organisations can't get a hold of your Ip address if you're not the computer connected to the torrent. It's as simple as that.
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Tenbyakugon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:34 am Reply with quote
This isn't gonna work. Laughing
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Mune



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:03 am Reply with quote
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The user will receive up to six warnings before the ISP will takes further actions, including slowing the users connection and redirecting internet traffic.


The ISP could however potentially give 1 warning and then start taking further action, if not completely shutting that IP/customer down due to violation of the ToS.

This comes as no surprise because ISPs have done this for years, usually with a suspension of service after 1 warning or no warning at all.

But I wonder how well this will actually work?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26 am Reply with quote
I think this is an interesting system, and I applaud them for doing something actually useful. Given as has been mentioned a lot of places already have a strikes system in place this isn't really anything new. From the looks of this it will piggy-back off the P2P detection system a lot of the big copyright holders already have in place, that has in the past only been used to send out infraction notices indiscriminately. I remember receiving one of those myself while living in New Zealand for downloading a copy of Space Siege; there was no way I was going to pay money for that steaming pile but I was still morbidly curious Rolling Eyes. And my ISP there even had a strikes system. Working together to educate rather than punish is definitely something to be applauded, and I hope ISPs outside the US that already have some sort of strikes system take notice.

Mune wrote:
But I wonder how well this will actually work?


I doubt it will do that much. But it will help educate those that didn't know any better, and there are increasing numbers of those around that are growing up in this digital media age.
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kanechin



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:59 pm Reply with quote
MPAA/RIAA/ISPs, go f**k yourselves.
Same to you Japan, f**k your stricter copyright law, I want my damn Kagaku OVA/TLRD BDs and your sh** tactics have made that near impossible.
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GhostOfSide3



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:13 pm Reply with quote
Does anime even get flagged for this kind of thing? Especially old stuff and things that simply aren't available for purchase or streaming?
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sarofski



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:15 pm Reply with quote
mehh wrote:
I agree with Josh, Large ISPs are just being pressured into implementing something by the entertainment industry (I can bet on it that the MPAA will be involved massively)

As long as this is all we get, there should be no complaints about Privacy, any further than this then things could get pretty out of control fast. Bittorrent monitoring is nothing new and nothing difficult to bypass (VPN/Seedbox being the two most secure) this is really nothing to worry about as long as you aren't brain dead when it comes to computers you wont get caught anyway. Anti P2P organisations can't get a hold of your Ip address if you're not the computer connected to the torrent. It's as simple as that.


I tried a couple of VPNs and all of them su** when it comes to speed.
Do you know any good one?!!!
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