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v1cious
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:06 pm
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oh wow, this just gets more and more ridiculous.
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Kiyoko
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:14 pm
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Because childrens card games are serious business.
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errantrogue
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:23 pm
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Kiyoko wrote: | Because childrens card games are serious business. |
They are when they're a breadwinner for a company... I remember stories from back in the heyday of Pokemon where stores were literally making money hand over fist from parents just shoving wads of cash into clerks hands to get the packs before they were gone. (Yay for tourney days!)
Of course, that was yesteryear, before everyone and everything got hellanervous about the economy and "economic shortfalls" sprouted up everywhere...
At this point, I think the companies are dealing with expired IP. UD is milking and Konami wants the market to cater to its imagination. Either way, lawyers get paid and that's all.
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ConanSan
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:40 pm
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So, when can we expect Sega Toys to pitch a fit at Spin Toys and hence see an end to dumb marble game that got One Piece killed?
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fighterholic
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:07 pm
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Can you imagine the lawsuits between Nintendo and Pokemon USA? Upper Deck to my recollection is an accredited producer of sports cards, so this is somewhat overboard on what Konami is trying to do. They both have their own histories of card making, if Konami has a colorful history of cardmaking at all.
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Primus
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:17 pm
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Conan-san wrote: | So, when can we expect Sega Toys to pitch a fit at Spin Toys and hence see an end to dumb marble game that got One Piece killed? |
If by "Spin Toys" you mean Spin Masters, and by "dumb marble game" you mean Bakugan, then well, sorry, but it was Spin Masters who pitched Bakugan to SEGA Toys for Asian Distribution...
fighterholic wrote: | Can you imagine the lawsuits between Nintendo and Pokemon USA? |
They would be non-existant. Pokemon USA is a subsidary of Nintendo... Do you mean Hasbro/Wizards Of The Coast, or 4kids?
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kokuryu
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:31 pm
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Amazing! Upper Deck making Counterfiet cards! This could be the trial of the century!
What you wanna bet that CCGs vanish within 5 years because of this mess?
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fighterholic
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:32 pm
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Primus wrote: | They would be non-existant. Pokemon USA is a subsidary of Nintendo... Do you mean Hasbro/Wizards Of The Coast, or 4kids? |
Ah yes, that one. My apologies.
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Faceman
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:41 pm
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kokuryu wrote: | Amazing! Upper Deck making Counterfiet cards! This could be the trial of the century!
What you wanna bet that CCGs vanish within 5 years because of this mess? |
Nah, I don't see that happening. CCGs have been around for over a decade (probably closer to 2 at this point). Most license terminations and disagreements I've seen tended to end in a much more pleasant tone. This almost looks like some of the parties involved think their turd sandwich is a golden egg.
Speaking of anime-related CCGs, I went to a gaming store while in LA last week, and they still had weekly Pokemon tournaments, and the shelves had at least half a dozen different expansion boxes for sale. Anyone still seeing a Pokemon environment going strong? I thought they had died and switched to Yugioh.
Also speaking of anime-related CCGs, I got a ton of .hack//enemy by Decipher for cheap as hell at the same store. Yeah, the game's been terminated, but on the bright side, with only about 4 expansions it's easy as hell to collect, and can probably find them discounted heavily too.
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ConanSan
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:56 pm
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Primus wrote: |
fighterholic wrote: | Can you imagine the lawsuits between Nintendo and Pokemon USA? |
They would be non-existant. Pokemon USA is a subsidary of Nintendo... Do you mean Hasbro/Wizards Of The Coast, or 4kids? |
I do belive that towords the end of the Wizards Era of the Pokemon TCG that Wizards were starting to get upity at Nintendo during the Pokemon-e phase of the game (having cards that were usable with the failed E-reader attachment for the GBA) and claimed Nintendo were using "Insider secrets".
Also, there was a fair bit of bad blood between the companys that, amoungst other things, prevented the vending card sets from geting an english release and US orgional cards from being made (Dark Raichu excluded).
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GeneralArrow
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:07 pm
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Your joking right? If this goes through and Upper Deck is found guilty of this man oh man things are going to get interesting really fast.
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ordinaryk
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:32 pm
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kokuryu wrote: | What you wanna bet that CCGs vanish within 5 years because of this mess? |
I doubt that CCGs will completely disappear, but I'm certain that Japanese game companies will be more hesitant to deal with American manufacturers (just look at the bad blood between Nintendo and WotC).
In a worst-case scenario, the CCGs that will survive will be those that are owned by their manufacturers, such as M:TG, which has been a WotC property since 1993.
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Geotrio
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:14 pm
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I'm kind of curious. If Upper Deck owns the rights for the distribution of Yu-Gi-Oh cards how can they counterfeit something they are producing? Are they only allowed to release a certain amount of cards or something? Don't have the rights to certains cards? I'm confused by this lawsuit.
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Josh7289
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:46 pm
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GeneralArrow wrote: | Your joking right? If this goes through and Upper Deck is found guilty of this man oh man things are going to get interesting really fast. |
This, and this:
Geotrio wrote: | I'm kind of curious. If Upper Deck owns the rights for the distribution of Yu-Gi-Oh cards how can they counterfeit something they are producing? Are they only allowed to release a certain amount of cards or something? Don't have the rights to certains cards? I'm confused by this lawsuit. |
Are the good thoughts.
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testorschoice
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm
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Geotrio wrote: | I'm kind of curious. If Upper Deck owns the rights for the distribution of Yu-Gi-Oh cards how can they counterfeit something they are producing? Are they only allowed to release a certain amount of cards or something? Don't have the rights to certains cards? I'm confused by this lawsuit. |
Those two boldfaced words are key. Konami is saying that Upper Deck had the rights to distribute cards, but not to make them. Imagine if people were clamoring for this month's rare Spider-Man cover variant, so Diamond Comics Distributor decides to profit on this and print its own batch--and not tell Marvel. Having so many "rare card" copies floating around also diminishes the value of the real rare cards, and throws the gameplay off-balance.
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