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INTEREST: Tetsuya Nomura Doesn't Think Kingdom Hearts' Story Is Convoluted




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Cho_Desu



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:27 pm Reply with quote
Well, you would hope the writer would be able to follow his own story, ha ha.
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:31 pm Reply with quote
He's right, it really isn't. It just has its own internal logic that it follows and too many people are scared of paying attention to anything. And I don't know what's particularly "odd" about an author watching videos about the works they've created, between that and the smarmy "far too many spinoffs and remakes" this comes across as way too editorializing for an article summarizing one small line in an interview. Something Awful isn't the center of the Internet anymore, we don't have to put up a shield of ironic detachment when talking about Japanese media.
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Connor Dino



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:47 pm Reply with quote
YackDe wrote:
He's right, it really isn't. It just has its own internal logic that it follows and too many people are scared of paying attention to anything. And I don't know what's particularly "odd" about an author watching videos about the works they've created, between that and the smarmy "far too many spinoffs and remakes" this comes across as way too editorializing for an article summarizing one small line in an interview. Something Awful isn't the center of the Internet anymore, we don't have to put up a shield of ironic detachment when talking about Japanese media.


There are so many layers to this comment that it comes off as almost incomprehensible. Obviously this was not your intention...but bravo regardless.
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:50 pm Reply with quote
Connor Dino wrote:
YackDe wrote:
He's right, it really isn't. It just has its own internal logic that it follows and too many people are scared of paying attention to anything. And I don't know what's particularly "odd" about an author watching videos about the works they've created, between that and the smarmy "far too many spinoffs and remakes" this comes across as way too editorializing for an article summarizing one small line in an interview. Something Awful isn't the center of the Internet anymore, we don't have to put up a shield of ironic detachment when talking about Japanese media.


There are so many layers to this comment that it comes off as almost incomprehensible. Obviously this was not your intention...but bravo regardless.


A point about the main idea of the article, followed by a comment on how the article itself was written, ending with a general statement on the mentality that leads to that kind of dismissive commentary where the article author wants everybody know they think this is silly and dumb. Pretty comprehensible to me, I am a bit concerned about your reading level. Forget Kingdom Hearts, pick up a book at some point.
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FanGamer24



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:03 am Reply with quote
I agree that if you play every game in order of release it's pretty easy to follow. But it does make it difficult to just hop into the series from any entry other than the first.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:03 am Reply with quote
Nomura thinks a lot of things, and a lot of them are very, very, very unintentionally silly on his part. This guy thought Stranger of Paradise was some super serious masterpiece and it became 2022's Funniest Game of the Year. Oh, Nomura, you are one of the best sources of comedy in the industry
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:12 am Reply with quote
AiddonValentine wrote:
Nomura thinks a lot of things, and a lot of them are very, very, very unintentionally silly on his part. This guy thought Stranger of Paradise was some super serious masterpiece and it became 2022's Funniest Game of the Year. Oh, Nomura, you are one of the best sources of comedy in the industry


Now this is a post with actual layers. The clear indications of never actually playing the game, just watching a 30 second clip or two on Twitter that are all from the first hour of the game. Attributing Strangers of Paradise to Nomura, a guy who was neither a director on the project nor one of its writers, continuing a long string of people who cry about Nomura having no idea what the guy actually does on anything. Radiating an insecurity about creatives who are earnest and wanting to treat that as somehow a bad thing, like an arrested development where you're perpetually stuck in 2010. It's perfect.
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Zimmer



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:32 am Reply with quote
He's right.

YackDe wrote:
He's right, it really isn't. It just has its own internal logic that it follows and too many people are scared of paying attention to anything. And I don't know what's particularly "odd" about an author watching videos about the works they've created, between that and the smarmy "far too many spinoffs and remakes" this comes across as way too editorializing for an article summarizing one small line in an interview. Something Awful isn't the center of the Internet anymore, we don't have to put up a shield of ironic detachment when talking about Japanese media.
Preach.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:34 am Reply with quote
YackDe wrote:

Now this is a post with actual layers. The clear indications of never actually playing the game, just watching a 30 second clip or two on Twitter that are all from the first hour of the game. Attributing Strangers of Paradise to Nomura, a guy who was neither a director on the project nor one of its writers, continuing a long string of people who cry about Nomura having no idea what the guy actually does on anything. Radiating an insecurity about creatives who are earnest and wanting to treat that as somehow a bad thing, like an arrested development where you're perpetually stuck in 2010. It's perfect.


No, I just think Nomura is so humorless and self-serious he's one of the best sources of unintentional comedy in the entire medium. In every one his works (whether written, directed, or produced) he thinks he's Tetsuya Takahashi or Yasumi Matsuno and falls flat with his inability to understand subversion or deconstruction (hence his inability to understand why some people might riff his work). Dude is one of the most privileged people in all of Square-Enix, he does not need nor want your defense.
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:41 am Reply with quote
AiddonValentine wrote:
YackDe wrote:

Now this is a post with actual layers. The clear indications of never actually playing the game, just watching a 30 second clip or two on Twitter that are all from the first hour of the game. Attributing Strangers of Paradise to Nomura, a guy who was neither a director on the project nor one of its writers, continuing a long string of people who cry about Nomura having no idea what the guy actually does on anything. Radiating an insecurity about creatives who are earnest and wanting to treat that as somehow a bad thing, like an arrested development where you're perpetually stuck in 2010. It's perfect.


No, I just think Nomura is so humorless and self-serious he's one of the best sources of unintentional comedy in the entire medium. In every one his works (whether written, directed, or produced) he thinks he's Tetsuya Takahashi or Yasumi Matsuno and falls flat with his inability to understand subversion or deconstruction (hence his inability to understand why some people might riff his work). Dude is one of the most privileged people in all of Square-Enix, he does not need nor want your defense.


Yeah, definitely have never actually played the game you're trying to complain about. Now with the addition of likely having never played Kingdom Hearts either based on the talk of humor. But I appreciate the use of TV Tropes speak, that's another layer added on.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:01 am Reply with quote
YackDe wrote:

Yeah, definitely have never actually played the game you're trying to complain about. Now with the addition of likely having never played Kingdom Hearts either based on the talk of humor. But I appreciate the use of TV Tropes speak, that's another layer added on.


Wrong, I was there at the beginning, even beat Sephiroth in I and II (I think I still might have my save data on my PS2 memory card). Ah, the memories of spamming Strike Raid in the Colosseum while dealing with your typical wonky 6th gen camera. I even wrote KH fanfiction during high school (deleted since then; fun fact, I once crossed it over with Devil May Cry which is funny since Sephiroth and Dante share the same Japanese voice actor nowadays). Fell off because of other priorities, in life and video games and because Nomura kept distracted by leprechauns and beliefs he was making a transcendental magnum opus in vs XIII (he wasn't). Like I said, I find the man's self-seriousness hilarious.
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:07 am Reply with quote
AiddonValentine wrote:
YackDe wrote:

Yeah, definitely have never actually played the game you're trying to complain about. Now with the addition of likely having never played Kingdom Hearts either based on the talk of humor. But I appreciate the use of TV Tropes speak, that's another layer added on.


Wrong, I was there at the beginning, even beat Sephiroth in I and II (I think I still might have my save data on my PS2 memory card). Ah, the memories of spamming Strike Raid in the Colosseum while dealing with your typical wonky 6th gen camera. I even wrote KH fanfiction during high school (deleted since then; fun fact, I once crossed it over with Devil May Cry which is funny since Sephiroth and Dante share the same Japanese voice actor nowadays). Fell off because of other priorities, in life and video games and because Nomura kept distracted by leprechauns and beliefs he was making a transcendental magnum opus in vs XIII (he wasn't). Like I said, I find the man's self-seriousness hilarious.


Sure thing, definitely believe you. But keep up the word salad, I look forward to what random Nomura game you will mention next in lieu of a cogent point about anything. Maybe you'll misuse the term deconstruction again, that'll be fun.

Though to be fair only playing the first two games and only during that time would make sense, your general demeanor about this seems likewise stuck in that era. TheSpoonyOne would be proud of you I'm sure.
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