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EngrishFan
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OK, more than slightly confused here. Is there any difference between the "should be xxxxx" and "should be xxxxx if I had to choose" responses for this survey, besides the obvious addition of more words for the latter? Are they the rough equivalents of "strongly agree" and "somewhat agree" from other surveys?
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kokuryu
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Figures are misleading, as are the questions on the polls, and the way the ansers to the polls should be interpreted. From what I gather, the real toll total is only 25%
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Dargonxtc
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Well this should settle some things I think.
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testorschoice
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You don't expect us to accept your declarations that something has no backing, and claims that the "toll total" is 25%, without saying something to back your own claims up, do you? |
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HitokiriShadow
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Like what? That most people think "virtual" child porn is disgusting and should therefore be banned? I would have been surprised if the polls didn't show results like this. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Oh yes, this thread should be short and very peaceful. 
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babbo
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In Japan? I for one would have to say I'm a little bit surprised that it's a number as high as 87% <.< |
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Dargonxtc
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Well it didn't mention whether people thought it was a disgusting or not, but I imagine we would have even higher percentage if that were the questions. What it does settle is that the vast majority doesn't think that virtual child porn should have zero regulations. Thats all I was saying. I mean the way it is now, it is pretty much a free-for-all. Edit: As far as banning though, I think if the questions were "what kind of regulations", then I think we would have many many different levels of responses. |
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rg4619
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Otaku subculture doesn't represent the public at large. Let's not confuse the two things. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I... really don't want to be the one to derail this topic into the standard debate so I'll just leave it at that.
Well, I guess it does offer proof (or at least evidence) now for the few people who seemed to believe that Japan was full of people who didn't have a problem with it, but I think those people were in the distinct minority.
I suppose that's true, perhaps a good chunk of them just wanted it more difficult to obtain rather than banned. That's why the wording in polls is important and people can easily manipulate polls by how they phrase the questions. And likewise, after the poll is taken people can make it say what they want (to an extent). |
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Tumalu
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If 20 is the "age of maturity" in Japan, does that mean that any pornographic manga containing characters under 20 would fall into this category? Seems a little strange to me. I would be curious as to exactly what sorts of regulations these people had in mind.
The question about "harmful materials" (if that's a decent translation of the wording that was used in the poll) is ridiculous though. Of course most people think "harmful materials" should be regulated -- they're harmful. That specific question doesn't apply directly to virtual pornography though, since not everyone believes it to be harmful. It does appear that other questions were more directed at that issue though. |
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naruto fan 09812
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While I object against child porn I doubt that the number is this high. There are far too many titles like Nymphet out on the market to make this a reasonable number. Was there any bias when this report was made? Also,with Zac strongly against this type of material did he put this article out to prove a point that he right?
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hikaru004
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It's not regulated right now so the numbers could be high. But it doesn't mean that mainstream approves of it imo. The majority sets the laws in the end after all imo. It could be one of those "pre-emptive strikes" that implies "regulate yourself now or have us do it later" type of deals. Aren't there regulations in place on the gaming side? |
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genman
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So, if the materials are "harmful" then where's the mountain of evidence supporting this assumption?
Honestly, I don't get it: Anybody here been to Comike? There's mountains of this stuff; hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loli comics flying off the shelf. The economics of it is huge. Anybody guess what percentage of those people are pedophiles? Maybe 1% 5%? Honestly, I don't know. And so the Japanese preferred solution to the problem is to regulate these businesses? Does it make any economic sense? Masaya Miyashita, a Doujinshi artist, was recently slapped with a $3000 fine for publishing "obscene" manga. As it turns out, there weren't enough black (or white) strips of censoring on genitalia in his manga. Essentially what censorship is in Japan is merely a gesture, but failing to bow (as it were) leads to the government cracking down on you. You have to play by the rules, but the rules aren't written down. To me, extending existing censorship law in Japan is going to be a bigger waste of time and money. Sure, the masses unfounded opinion has to become everyone else's -- or else -- but it regulation doesn't seem to solve anything and costs everyone money but the lawyers. |
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genman
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So, if the materials are "harmful" then where's the mountain of evidence supporting this assumption?
Honestly, I don't get it: Anybody here been to Comike? There's mountains of this stuff; hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loli comics flying off the shelf. The economics of it is huge. Anybody guess what percentage of those people are pedophiles? Maybe 1% 5%? Honestly, I don't know. And so the Japanese preferred solution to the problem is to regulate these businesses? Does it make any economic sense? Masaya Miyashita, a Doujinshi artist, was recently slapped with a $3000 fine for publishing "obscene" manga. As it turns out, there weren't enough black (or white) strips of censoring on genitalia in his manga. Essentially what censorship is in Japan is merely a gesture, but failing to bow (as it were) leads to the government cracking down on you. You have to play by the rules, but the rules aren't written down. To me, extending existing censorship law in Japan is going to be a bigger waste of time and money. Sure, the masses unfounded opinion has to become everyone else's -- or else -- but it regulation doesn't seem to solve anything and costs everyone money but the lawyers. |
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