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SP654
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:27 am
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Still haven't announce a release date
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MaxSouth
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:38 am
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Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
Normally, successful projects like this are run for many years, sometimes even for more than a decade. And they do not become bad or dragged just because they are long.
E.g. One Piece and Naruto had the main story planned for many years ahead of writing/drawing the chapters, they were not invented on the spot just to prolong the mangas. (Unlike Bleach where "plot" of a team member being kidnapped is just endlessly repeated and beaten to death, which had a drastic consequence for sales of the manga as it was obviously aimlessly dragged without any actual thought behind this.)
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short?
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garfield15
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:52 am
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MaxSouth wrote: |
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short? |
It's this. The mangaka knew where it was supposed to end and it ended there.
Also when the anime really started blowing up, the manga was entering it's final arc anyway
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Mushrinku
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:22 am
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MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
Normally, successful projects like this are run for many years, sometimes even for more than a decade. And they do not become bad or dragged just because they are long.
E.g. One Piece and Naruto had the main story planned for many years ahead of writing/drawing the chapters, they were not invented on the spot just to prolong the mangas. (Unlike Bleach where "plot" of a team member being kidnapped is just endlessly repeated and beaten to death, which had a drastic consequence for sales of the manga as it was obviously aimlessly dragged without any actual thought behind this.)
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short? |
crazy how you put naruto and " a story that was planned for many years ahead and not invented on the spot" on the same sentence, and gives it as an example for a story that did not become bad.
naruto's last arc was horrible writing. the ending was garbage. in fact half way into part 2 of the manga the story started to go down hill, the last arc was just the peak of its bad writing.
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Unculturedman
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:12 pm
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Mushrinku wrote: |
MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
Normally, successful projects like this are run for many years, sometimes even for more than a decade. And they do not become bad or dragged just because they are long.
E.g. One Piece and Naruto had the main story planned for many years ahead of writing/drawing the chapters, they were not invented on the spot just to prolong the mangas. (Unlike Bleach where "plot" of a team member being kidnapped is just endlessly repeated and beaten to death, which had a drastic consequence for sales of the manga as it was obviously aimlessly dragged without any actual thought behind this.)
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short? |
crazy how you put naruto and " a story that was planned for many years ahead and not invented on the spot" on the same sentence, and gives it as an example for a story that did not become bad.
naruto's last arc was horrible writing. the ending was garbage. in fact half way into part 2 of the manga the story started to go down hill, the last arc was just the peak of its bad writing. |
Ridiculous. It’s hilarious to me how so many people still jump on a Naruto hate bandwagon in 2022 after years of time to understand the story. While I wouldn’t call the final arc a masterpiece or thoroughly planned because there are numerous flaws and missed opportunities, it certainly was not horrible. The ending is an all time favorite of mine.
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lossthief
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:21 pm
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MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
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Nope. While Demon Slayer wasn't a huge hit before the anime it was selling just fine. It just wasn't built to run indefinitely and had already started its final arc around the time the anime released and sales started exploding. They could have theoretically extended it - introduce new enemies or a threat bigger than Muzan or something - but I think the creator and everyone involved recognized that would just drag it out too long, so they finished it up at just over 200 chapters. I think the era of super-long running shonen jump hits is mostly over, One Piece notwithstanding. Nowadays editorial - and the actual manga creators - seem to value the prospect of ending a series when it's ready instead of dragging it out endlessly.
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jdnation
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:10 pm
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I prefer the trend of shorter series and authors knowing when to end a series and keeping it strong throughout its run.
Look on the bright side, if something blows up and becomes really big, there are always other opportunities to capitalize on that with spin-offs and original short stories, original OVAs and films that can be just as good in the same universe leveraging its other cast members and none of that dilutes the strength of the original source material.
If the author decides there was other untapped potential there, they can always come back to do a few more original stories.
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KarlFranz
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:47 pm
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Unculturedman wrote: |
Mushrinku wrote: |
MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
Normally, successful projects like this are run for many years, sometimes even for more than a decade. And they do not become bad or dragged just because they are long.
E.g. One Piece and Naruto had the main story planned for many years ahead of writing/drawing the chapters, they were not invented on the spot just to prolong the mangas. (Unlike Bleach where "plot" of a team member being kidnapped is just endlessly repeated and beaten to death, which had a drastic consequence for sales of the manga as it was obviously aimlessly dragged without any actual thought behind this.)
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short? |
crazy how you put naruto and " a story that was planned for many years ahead and not invented on the spot" on the same sentence, and gives it as an example for a story that did not become bad.
naruto's last arc was horrible writing. the ending was garbage. in fact half way into part 2 of the manga the story started to go down hill, the last arc was just the peak of its bad writing. |
Ridiculous. It’s hilarious to me how so many people still jump on a Naruto hate bandwagon in 2022 after years of time to understand the story. While I wouldn’t call the final arc a masterpiece or thoroughly planned because there are numerous flaws and missed opportunities, it certainly was not horrible. The ending is an all time favorite of mine. |
Yeah, Kaguya totally has been set up as the final boss. Totally not because Kishimoto accidentally made Madara too strong so he had to make another villain to upstate Madara. Oh and let not forget all the story themes and messages that got toss aside along the way and how most side characters got sidelined (who is Tenten anyway?)
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PseudoFiction
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:50 pm
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MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
Normally, successful projects like this are run for many years, sometimes even for more than a decade. And they do not become bad or dragged just because they are long.
E.g. One Piece and Naruto had the main story planned for many years ahead of writing/drawing the chapters, they were not invented on the spot just to prolong the mangas. (Unlike Bleach where "plot" of a team member being kidnapped is just endlessly repeated and beaten to death, which had a drastic consequence for sales of the manga as it was obviously aimlessly dragged without any actual thought behind this.)
Or was it the author's actual intent to make this story relatively short? |
Man.. I'd love to known what the main story of One Piece is, since every arc give 50 new characters to remember then mostly discarded when they move to the next island.
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SpiritSmoocher
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:16 pm
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Glad Ufotable is quickly rolling out seasons as I am impatient. We are rolling quickly towards the finale.
As for people saying Demon Slayer manga was a failure, be aware if you are a decently long running battle shonen in Weekly Shonen Jump, you are more or less at the top of the food chain for series. Jump is a huge brand in japan and like in every Family Mart. You are nearly guaranteed a decently competent studio to handle your production. Only slip up i think was tokyo ghoul re but I don't think it is that bad.
Ufotable really wasn't considering taking that big of a risk. If they wanted to take risks, they would try to adapt a relatively obscure series from Kadokawa.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:39 pm
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KarlFranz wrote: |
Yeah, Kaguya totally has been set up as the final boss. Totally not because Kishimoto accidentally made Madara too strong so he had to make another villain to upstate Madara. |
Which was solved by dusting off Kaguya who despite what people think wasn’t created in part 2 as she was mentioned/referred to all the way back in part 1. Who was even more stronger than Madara and couldn’t be defeated under practical circumstances.
KarlFranz wrote: |
Oh and let not forget all the story themes and messages that got toss aside along the way and how most side characters got sidelined (who is Tenten anyway?) |
I mean let’s not pretend that TenTen ever had as much relevance and importance as Neji & Lee. Like the only memorable thing she did was get squashed off screen by Temari who later joined her village years later. While it is true that Naruto did undercut’s it’s supporting characters by barely using them in the story. It’s been demonstrated that trying to give your supporting characters too much focus in parts of the story where they’re not needed can also be an issue as Bleach infamously demonstrated numerous times.
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ZiharkXVI
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:07 pm
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lossthief wrote: |
MaxSouth wrote: | Why did the manga end only after four years?
Was it a failure in terms of sales towards the end?
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Nope. While Demon Slayer wasn't a huge hit before the anime it was selling just fine. It just wasn't built to run indefinitely and had already started its final arc around the time the anime released and sales started exploding. They could have theoretically extended it - introduce new enemies or a threat bigger than Muzan or something - but I think the creator and everyone involved recognized that would just drag it out too long, so they finished it up at just over 200 chapters. I think the era of super-long running shonen jump hits is mostly over, One Piece notwithstanding. Nowadays editorial - and the actual manga creators - seem to value the prospect of ending a series when it's ready instead of dragging it out endlessly. |
It's for the best. I can tell when authors are padding - story ends up suffering and half the time written by committee (uninspired).
Anyways can't wait for the next season.
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SpiritSmoocher
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:10 pm
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lossthief wrote: | I think the era of super-long running shonen jump hits is mostly over, One Piece notwithstanding. Nowadays editorial - and the actual manga creators - seem to value the prospect of ending a series when it's ready instead of dragging it out endlessly. |
It is to maximize profits. Mugen Train and JJK 0 has shown publishers that a new hype series will make quick money over long running titans like Naruto, One Piece, Gundam. There is just less you need to be caught up on. Anime will lose popularity over the years which is why even successful authors are opting to go for a new series instead.
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lossthief
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:32 pm
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SpiritSmoocher wrote: |
lossthief wrote: | I think the era of super-long running shonen jump hits is mostly over, One Piece notwithstanding. Nowadays editorial - and the actual manga creators - seem to value the prospect of ending a series when it's ready instead of dragging it out endlessly. |
It is to maximize profits. Mugen Train and JJK 0 has shown publishers that a new hype series will make quick money over long running titans like Naruto, One Piece, Gundam. There is just less you need to be caught up on. Anime will lose popularity over the years which is why even successful authors are opting to go for a new series instead. |
That's not really "maximizing profits" so much as it's prioritizing short-term profits over long term. JJK and Demon Slayer have certain maid bank, DS especially, but their lifetime sales are still less than half of One Piece's.
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SpiritSmoocher
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:35 pm
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lossthief wrote: |
That's not really "maximizing profits" so much as it's prioritizing short-term profits over long term. JJK and Demon Slayer have certain maid bank, DS especially, but their lifetime sales are still less than half of One Piece's. |
For sure lifetime of JJK and Demon Slayer will probably never match that of One Piece. What I am saying is it is unlikely for them to get another One Piece which is why they are just riding on new hit show after new hit show.
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