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Dark Mac
Joined: 17 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:18 pm
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Miranjo's forgiveness was great. I love the idea of her hooking up with Daida.
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poltroon
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:09 pm
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Very good analysis that captures a lot of what I feel as well. The quick Miranjo forgiveness feels very wrong; she's done nothing to earn it.
And Daida is like, what, 12? Maybe 14? And if he's that old then Boji is an adult.
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Kingfist
Joined: 15 Apr 2022
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:45 pm
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The reason I think Daida was able to forgive Miranjo so quickly is for two reasons First Daida himself was also a bad character who needed forgiveness. He went through a transformation to a better person as he was trapped. Secondly he also got to see everything that Miranjo went through and realized why she did what she did. It was all out of love for Bosse. Boji had to forgive Miranjo but because she saved Kage's life. I think the author missed the point of transformation. Many of these characters had to go through some sort of transformation. In most cases it ended for the better but in Oukens case it ended for the worse. The problems I had with the show: I thought they dropped the ball with Queen Hilling. I would have liked to have seen a lot more of her. Also I would have like more interactions with Boji and Daida. Also there were no interactions at all between Kage and Daida.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:32 pm
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Anime as a whole has a problem with forgiveness. You literally unleash the Gates of Hell, with the intent of killing every single person on the Earth, including your friends and their loved ones. But the next day, your forgiven. Because your magical girls, because Yuna has a big heart. Not one of the magical girls think, "you tried to murder my family, you sent monsters to rip my sister to pieces, and the most basic one, you tried to kill me".
This series seems to be more of the same. Call this the 'uncanny valley of forgiveness'. Very few human beings act like this. Maybe after months or years of soul searching you might choose to do this as a healing salve for yourself to move on. But in real life, we know there is a list of names of people who will never be forgiven for their heinous crimes. No sane person would ever match their names with the word 'forgiveness'. Also they ignore the other elephant, yeah, you forgave you friend for trying to kill your family. Is your family going to be as forgiving, more likely they are going to look at you aghast at what you are saying.
Personally, I think the word 'forgiveness' should be used in a more personal matter, forgiving friends, family and loved ones, with whom you wish to still have a bond with. WIth forgiveness implying to the other, that they still want you in their life. But for all others I think another word should be used, 'acceptance'. Where you know that revenge or vengenance is unhealthy to you, will not bring you happiness or satisfaction, and you want to move on.
Unless you are on the planet Vulcan, human type characters, still need to act like humans. And when they don't, there has to be a reason why. Like the Pod People took them over (Invasion of the Body Snatchers).
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gpanthony
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:16 am
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As great as Ranking of Kings was, I got to say Episode 73 of Dragon Quest Adventure of Dai hit way harder emotionally while working with a similar theme.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:49 am
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TarsTarkas wrote: | Anime as a whole has a problem with forgiveness. You literally unleash the Gates of Hell, with the intent of killing every single person on the Earth, including your friends and their loved ones. But the next day, your forgiven. Because your magical girls, because Yuna has a big heart. Not one of the magical girls think, "you tried to murder my family, you sent monsters to rip my sister to pieces, and the most basic one, you tried to kill me".
This series seems to be more of the same. Call this the 'uncanny valley of forgiveness'. Very few human beings act like this. Maybe after months or years of soul searching you might choose to do this as a healing salve for yourself to move on. But in real life, we know there is a list of names of people who will never be forgiven for their heinous crimes. No sane person would ever match their names with the word 'forgiveness'. Also they ignore the other elephant, yeah, you forgave you friend for trying to kill your family. Is your family going to be as forgiving, more likely they are going to look at you aghast at what you are saying.
Personally, I think the word 'forgiveness' should be used in a more personal matter, forgiving friends, family and loved ones, with whom you wish to still have a bond with. WIth forgiveness implying to the other, that they still want you in their life. But for all others I think another word should be used, 'acceptance'. Where you know that revenge or vengenance is unhealthy to you, will not bring you happiness or satisfaction, and you want to move on.
Unless you are on the planet Vulcan, human type characters, still need to act like humans. And when they don't, there has to be a reason why. Like the Pod People took them over (Invasion of the Body Snatchers). |
Another issue anime is for many villains/antagonists to not get the punishment they deserve. For example, Sasuke Uchiha should have been given a life sentence in prison.
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