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ryujin jakka
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I was wondering if any body else threw any thing at the Television, after seeing that spoiler[Pathetic Excuse for an ending.]Any one at all?
I can not belive that they ended it that way. |
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DuelLadyS
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spoiler[ Not only did I think the alternate-universe angle made sense, I rather liked it. (Of course, I pretty much believe in parallel universes anyway... I can see how someone else could take that all as a big, steaming pile of BS.) Besides, I'm sure if they had opted to leave that out, they could come up with other ways to make Ed not die- say, Mom and/or Dad shows up at the gate and gives 'em a hand? I dunno, I'm not a writer.]
Now as far as the movie ending goes... I was a little dissapointed spoiler[ what with Winry getting left behind and all... but I think she'll get over it. She's got the rest of the Elric support group to help her out.] Overall, I think it was a satisfying finish. |
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Nagisa
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Do you mind not being an inane spammer and actually explaining your opinion? This is a pretty pathetic topic starter, and I really don't want to have to lock the thread for it. |
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penguintruth
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You mean you can't believe how they resolved nearly every hanging thread from FMA and added an interesting historical context to it all?
Yeah, what an awful movie. |
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crow-kun
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He didn't say the whole movie was bad just the ending. Which it was spoiler[there was not reason for them to stay in the other world.] Last edited by crow-kun on Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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JoshuaStChristopher
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Resolving every thread doesn't make it a good movie. Having a great plot, a cohesive storyline, impressive theatrical animation, great music, and no logical gaps make it a good movie. Unfortunately, this film had none of those things. It would've been much better, in my opinion, to leave it with the TV series. The storyline took a drop in the second half and plot holes started springing up. I did my best to ignore that, but Ed was absolutely unlikable for the entire series. The ending of the show was well done, even if I thought the alternate world angle was pretty silly, the emotion and drama in the last two episodes was good enough to at least make it enjoyable. But the movie? Ugh. The animation was by no means bad, but aside from the opening sequence, didn't look any better than an episode of the TV series. The storyline had massive logical gaps, not to mention the lazy CG armour suits. I was laughing at those things very much. And the Nazis. Come ON. Oh, and yes, making alternate King Bradley Fritz Lang. I don't think those aspects even need to be criticized. They're just so silly and ridiculous. Not to mention the amazing job on the title credit sequence, "Hey! We can re-use DVD art!" While I'm not the biggest fan of the anime, Fullmetal Alchemist is still a great series. The second half of the series was definitely not as good. The drama was fine (well, I guess if "who'd they kill this week?!" is good drama), and I managed to ignore the silly plot hiccups, so it was enjoyable. But I would've been much happier with just the TV ending. The movie was wholly unnecessary and kinda ridiculous. |
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penguintruth
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FMA detractors love to shout, "Plotholes!" Name five of them. There aren't all that many plotholes. Most of the important mysteries are resolved at the end of the series and any loose threads are tied up in the movie. Where are the plotholes? Huh? Another thing is "the storyline took a drop in the second half". What, when? I thought the show got better and better as it got further along. It took a different direction than the manga, and I don't know if you're a fan of the manga or not, but it's not necessarily a bad direction.
How so? Was he unlikable because he was a caring, remorseful soul who wanted to restore his brother to normal at nearly any cost, even his own life? Was he unlikable because he was an interesting, complex character who matured and grew as a character througout the series? Was he unlikable because he was geniunely a good person, who despite his initial inclinations to merely help himself, always ends up helping others before him? How is he unlikable?
You might want to get to the nearest eye doctor. The animation is a leap, jump, and a hop over the animation in the series. And that's saying a lot, considering what high production values the series had. Whereas some of the scenery and settings of the TV series seem a little distant or unnatural, the movie makes everything appear almost real. It's really amazing.
Where?
These are silly gripes. The historical parallels were always in FMA.
Unnecessary? Perhaps. Ridiculous? I don't think so. |
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JoshuaStChristopher
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Why should I name five? One is enough to bother me. Well, first of all, the Alchemy Gate was inconsistent. The first time we get to it, a bunch of snazzy creatures steal Ed's arm and leg. And later on it sends him to another world, into someone else’s' body, whereupon he is killed by a zeppelin, and then allows him back to the FMA world with an unharmed body. And for a second one, Envy. I thought Hohenheim was jumping bodies, correct? And the true face of Envy is that of a young Hohenheim. If you're looking at the timeline, Hohenheim wouldn't have had that body when Envy was created. If I missed something with these, however, please explain them to me, and I will gladly retract these statements.
Thanks for trying to refute my opinion with an opinion. I like the manga. I'm not one of those people who thinks if the anime doesn't follow the manga it sucks. I don't mind if it's different, I mind if it's good. People try to say it's all wonderful and deep, but I just see the constant repetition of the same themes, far too often. I like it, especially the themes about the Elric brother's bond, but we know Lust is a mean person. That point is forced on us often, and at one point, they give us an entire episode just to reinforce that. That's something I disliked, the constant need to reinforce plot points that we already know well enough.
I liked his development a lot more in the manga. I'm just not into all of the angst. Sorry if you can't handle people who disagree with you. There's no reason to argue a point like this, because it's opinion. If you liked him, that's great. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I didn't like it.
My eyes are fine. Thanks for your concern. Nope, I just didn't see it. The movie had fine production values, as did the series. But a "leap, jump, and a hop over the animation in the series" is insanity. As I said, the first opening sequence in the movie looked very nice, but the rest of it looked hardly better than the TV series. There were certain brief sequences in the film that looked very nice, but on a whole, it didn't do much to improve over the series. Again, I'm not saying it looked bad, because it didn't. But maybe you need to get your own eyes checked for you to try to say the animation was worlds better.
This movie was fanfiction on a big budget. And that is an opinion. If you want to keep arguing this, go right ahead. I have stated the problems I have with it, and they're mostly just opinions. However, in a sense, I think you're right about a lot of things. I realize I'm definitely being too harsh on the series. I think the problem is that when a series gains so much popularity, it tends to be viewed under a much harsher light, and folks tend to point out its flaws a lot more often. So, yeah, I am being too harsh. But I should also add that I really do like the series. It has a lot of excellent points to it, and I must admit that some of the plot points in the second half were engaging, even if not totally consistent. However, I still thought the movie was awful. |
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Ragg
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I thought the ending was pretty good. spoiler[I mean it did what I wanted, which was reunite Al and Ed. Of course they should've went to Shamballa and not to the alternate universe.]
Along with that, a continuing of the story would really only discuss how new adventures spoiler[of Al and Ed together, which would defeat the purpose of FMA, hence Alchemist.... or they would try and reach Shamballa, which I doubt will happen.] Even if the writers did want to have a continuation, I think it would be kind of difficult without making it seem like they threw in random crap so they could get the ball rolling. |
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penguintruth
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One was a human trasmutation to bring the dead back to life. The second was Dante sending an entire human through the gate, and thus Ed had no choice but to coinhabit the body of his alternate world self. A bit silly, perhaps, but explainable.
I'm uncertain as to whether Envy really looked like that before he died or he was simply using that form to represent to Ed that he was Hohenheim's son. An understandable gripe, so I'll give you this one.
Are you referring to the disease villiage? I think a more apt complaint would be as to how the homonuculus craeted and spread a disease and then suddenly stopped caring. But actually that episode, one of the few examples of geniune filler in FMA, was there as a look into how tragically evil Lust is. She tries to understand human emotion, but ultimately it just frustrates her. Later on in the series, she still can't come to grips with how Scar is acting. It isn't until her fight with Wrath in the factory that she understands her own motivation for continuing on - spoiler[that is, so she can die].
I was exaggerating, but the difference is clear between the movie and the series, as far as production value goes.
How is it like fanfiction? It continues in the same vein (or a similar one) as the television series, and explores the historical parallels that were present throughout the series and a story set up from the final episodes of the program. Perhaps it was unnecessary, but it did resolve some hanging plot threads and provided some good, solid entertainment. Also, please, you don't need to remind me that this is "just opinion", your opinion, and that opinion isn't arguable. Clearly you feel like you have to justify your opinions, or you wouldn't have responded to my own response to you. And it's obvious you're using YOUR opinions, there's no need to tell me. The point of discussion is to express your opinion about the movie. Simply providing a "But you can't argue my opinion!" type response makes it seem like you're cornered. Last edited by penguintruth on Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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JoshuaStChristopher
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I concede, good sir/ma'am. |
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DuelLadyS
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Sure there was- spoiler[ to go destroy the array to prevent more bad peoples from coming in to Ed's beloved homeworld. Could you imagine Hilter getting over there? Even if he techinically couldn't harness alchemy (THATS a scary thought), the resources he could obtain from having an entire alternate dimension at his disposal certianly could've affected the outcome of the war. Ed just wanted t obe sure these power-hungry nasties didn't hurt his home, his friends, and the little brother he'd worked so hard to protect and restore. Now Al, he understood all that- but dammit, he'd worked hard too and he wanted t obe with his big brother again. So he set up the array-removal with a trusted ally (Al never did have as big a beef with Roy as Ed did), and followed his bro. Winry's the one who got shafted in the whole deal, when you get right down to it.  ]
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LightYagami
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One thing in the anime that has bugged me is to how ed can transmute without the alchemy circles. For example early on in the series when spoiler[Ed had his first violent encounter with scar at central] scar said that the reason Ed could perform transmutations without circles is because of ED's automail that it caused an array of somesort(I'm sorry that I can't remember the complete details) but then later on in the series we find out that spoiler[Izumi and Hohenheim also can perform alchemy without transmutation circles] but she/he does not have any automail of sorts. So then we come to find out that spoiler[the gate gave a massive amount of knowledge to those who performed a human transmutation or saw it]. So my question is which one is it spoiler[scars explanation] orspoiler[the gate theory]? NOTE: I have not yet read the manga and I don't know what the mangas take on it is. |
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LydiaDianne
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It's not the automail! It's because they spoiler[have seen the Gate and created a homunculus. People who have done that don't have/need to use the Circles.] |
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penguintruth
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Exactly. Scar never said anything about the automail creating the circle, he simply said that Ed was making an alchemic circle with this arms, and removing one of them would prevent him from using alchemy without a circle. He didn't know Edward had seen "the truth", he just knew that for some reason he could do alchemy without the arrays. |
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