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deathbringer
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What, was just publishing the actual Witchblade manga that's coming out not good enough? They have to make up a "manga"?
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littlegreenwolf
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Oh this is such BS. Those comics had some of the best coloring jobs I have ever seen in comics, and doing this just to cash in on the manga trend makes my stomach turn. There goes what little bit of respect I had left for Top Cow.
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darkhunter
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How typical. The usually scream of "sell out".
Well there's plenty of manga companies already releasing regular manga from Japan and we got that cover, so I'm not going to blame Bandai for trying something new or different. Somehow this might actually bring more comic fan to the manga format depending on how well it does with comic book fan. Manga-only fan might not be interested but then again they could just not buy it. If this format does work and does a lot better than the current tpb that are being release, the current big comic industry might take notice and react, but I doubt it. |
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AstroNerdBoy
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Darkhunter -- the problem, as I see it, is that the original works were done in COLOR. B&W works from the original color works are never as good (my opinion). I can spot them when they show up in manga titles were the original pages were color, but the pages in the volume are not. I purchased "Ah! My Goddess: Colours" from Japan when it came out simply to get the color pages, and these were mostly colored after the fact (but were still nice). Had these been originally in color and then a smaller B&W manga-styled version was released, why would I touch it?
Bottom line -- going from B&W to color makes sense to me to gain sales. Going from color to B&W to fit a manga profile doesn't make sense unless they are hoping to sucker people bored in the manga section to buy it, not knowing there was a full-color version done. But then, I'm just cynical like that. 
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TheHTRO
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I can't believe that Bandai Entertainment sold out. Although, as long as their anime division doesn't start doing something similar, I'll be happy.
Okay, fine, but giving us B/W, R-to-L versions of American comics originally in color is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
That's the biggest load of rat poopy I've ever heard in my life. Clearly BEI was paid off by Top Cow to do this. I would exect 4Kids to do something like this, but not a respected company like BEI. If this is how they are going to start off their manga division, then I don't want any part of it. I'll take my manga from Viz, TOKYOPOP and others, thank you very much. At least they publish REAL manga (and in the case of TP, OEL comics). Hmph! 
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VespaChick
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Yeah, so this is marketing crap.
A comic drawn and inked to be presented in color is a totally different beast than a comic drawn and inked to be presented in black and white. When you take away the color from a image that's meant to be colored you're left with lineart, unfinished lineart, not manga. If they were to re-ink the pages and tone them, that would be one thing, but to just drop the colors out of an image is like taking the sound away from a movie and calling it a silent picture. Not the same thing. |
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samuraiwalt
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What's the big deal? I have a Tomb Raider preview edition comic, that's in B & W, that I bought about 7 years ago. So I guess this manga is not targeted for me.
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Kagemusha
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Why are people making a big deal out of this? If you want color, BUY THE ORIGINAL. I'm suprised anyone actually cares that Bandai is releasing half-assed verisons of already half-assed T&A comics (though Michael Turner's art is pretty nice.)
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
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Because people will take out their self-righteous fandom outrage on anything. Double points for "If it's not Japanese, it's crrrrrrrrap!" Anyway, who cares? I didn't even know there was a Tomb Raider comic until just now, and gussying it up in B/W $9.99 200 pgs isn't going to make me any more interested. And to this day, I still haven't figured out if Witchblade is a video game or TV series or what. |
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littlegreenwolf
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Witchblade was originally a comic.
I honestly was a big fan for the Tomb Raider comic when it first came out years ago. The pencil and inking work alone was fantastic, but the color itself blew me away. Before I never really had much respect for colored comics because nothing I ever saw really impressed me till I picked up the first issue of Tomb Raider, and now that they're taking away that fantastic job and regurgatating it to sell as 'manga' just pisses me off. So yeah, I'll complain. |
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guyverfanboy
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Hmmm, I'll to wait and see on the Witchblade manga...
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TheHTRO
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Because, whether intentional or not, Bandai Entertainment, a highly respected domestic anime distributor, is launching their manga division by insulting everone's (not the just the fans') intelligence by talking previously released American created comics, removing the color, flipping the artwork to the right-to-left format, and are promoting it as being "manga". To be honest, this is even worse than TP's stance on manga (TP feels that "manga" is a "state of mind"). That's the big deal.
I care, and it's not out of fanboyism (For the record, I am not a "fanboy", a "fangirl", or a fan-anything). I want actual manga: comics originally created and published in Japan. Instead they are giving us previously released American created comics, and are making them look like manga. If they were to first give us "OEL" (original English language) comics, akin to TP, then that would be different, because then they wouldn't be comics that were already created and released years ago as American, 32-page, single edition "comic books" (I still prefer actual Japanese manga, however). Look, I know what a few of you are thinking, and that doesn't apply here. "Keeping an open mind" doesn't apply here because as I previously said, this is an insult to the intelligence of not just "fans", but also casual/mainstream readers as well. In other words, everybody loses. Once again, I'm not a fanboy/girl/whatever. Further, I'm neither a fan, nor a casual reader. I read manga because it's different and interesting. I would never express such things out of personal love or dislike or something. In addition, I believe that our complaints are justified here, for the reasons stated above. And with that, I'll stop there. |
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dark_hand
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am i the only one who see this as another entertaining read? there are guys out there like me who found reading comics in black and white more enjoyable than in full color. witchblade is one of my favourites and i am glad i will read it in manga format.
and you people keep on saying like bandai has done something disrespecful. spreading the beauty of american comics to japan means the exact opposite no matter how much they convert the format. that means that company put the comic in high enough value that they found it worth re-released. |
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deathbringer
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That's not the argument at all. The fact is, unless they're going to be using the original art from before the comic was colored (and I doubt they will as I believe Top Cow used to sell alot of original art) it's going to look awful. This essentially, is a worse idea then all the cinemanga that's coming out. |
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darkhunter
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Whoa whoa hold on. flipping the artwork? I just think you're taking it too far as there was no mention of flipping. Comic has been turn from color to black and white = Marvel essential line. All they're doing is presenting it in the "manga format. I'm not even sure why it's call a manga format when there's a lot of other indy graphic novel that are about the same size and one in black and white. And because it's bandai, you have to get mad? But if it's another companies doing it, then it would be okay? Unbelievable. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. You speak with your wallet. Why does it bother you so much? If you're so mad about the manga format, than buy the original format. What's wrong with testing a new format? If you can get 10 issue in Black and White for 10 dollar that's alot better than 5 color issue for 15 dollar.
Well it sound like you're crying because of fanboyism, so please stop denying it. The fact of the matter is Bandai's goal wasn't to release manga in the traditional sense: licensing and translating them. They were going to create manga with their own property. They're also trying a new market strategy. You said you want manga from japan, blah blah.....there are countless amount of companies like Viz and TP release manga for you. Enjoy those and stop whining how Bandai is ruining your hobby. Bandai isn't taking your manga away from you. They're trying to reach another demographic, maybe the manga fan that don't normally read american comic because of the format.
Ironically there are a lot of people enjoying the Marvel Essential line. Even though you're right that it won't look as pretty, the point is that people want 30 issue for like 15 dollar sometimes, a cheap fix.
The same people that complain are the same people that does not have any intention of buying it in the first place, so why do they care so much? You're right about the self-righteous fandom. The same fandom that release tons of merchandise like CCG, pillow and Fullmetal Soap, even let their properties turn into an anime to cash in. Freaking ironic.
There are a lot of crappy anime at the bookshelf. So even if they're bored, they'll just get sucker into buying another crappy manga like School Rumble or Negima instead. The fact of the matter is people are looking deeply into this and thinking bandai is doing this to ruin their hobby somehow...get over it please. Every companies is trying to make a profit, it's nothing new. There are manga fan out there that wouldn't read a comic because they don't like the format of color and oversize....even if the story was really good. And yes I agree that going from Color to B&W will look like crap. I heard publisher have been giving out "Raw" (Black & White) edition of certain trade to store owner and these are very limited. Supposely the Raw edition is so that you can appreciate the linework even more. And I don't see what's the Big deal with this at all? Maybe I like my comic in "manga format" in which I can get 10 issue for cheap? Or maybe I'm just open to a lot of new ideas these past few years as I'm taking a lot of Business courses. Last edited by darkhunter on Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:53 am; edited 3 times in total |
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