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Help Me To Convert My Brother

Sheesh, you make it sound like it's a religion. If he doesn't like it, then he doesn't like it. Nothing wrong with that. You don't need to covert someone to reading manga. There are many people that won't go see Chinese movies with me just because they don't want to read subtitles. I think that's stupid, but it's no use argueing with them, I don't want to forcefully drag them to the theater with me, only to listen to them complain through the whole movie. To each their own.

Sheesh, you make it sound like it's a religion. If he doesn't like it, then he doesn't like it. Nothing wrong with that. You don't need to covert someone to reading manga. There are many people that won't go see Chinese movies with me just because they don't want to read subtitles. I think that's stupid, but it's no use argueing with them, I don't want to forcefully drag them to the theater with me, only to listen to them complain through the whole movie. To each their own.

If the problem for him is reading backwards, why not let him start with a flipped (western-style) manga like X/1999 or something (I don't know which others are flipped)? If he likes those stories, chances are that getting him to read the unflipped versions is much easier then.

Farseer Ulthrion

Bleach also doesn't go anywhere. The story is very cliche and how Ichigo got his Soul Reaper powers was very cheap because it felt like it was all setup and the script played out perfectly.

darkhunter wrote:

Bleach also doesn't go anywhere. The story is very cliche and how Ichigo got his Soul Reaper powers was very cheap because it felt like it was all setup and the script played out perfectly.

That's because spoiler[it was all a setup. You judge Bleach unfairly. Certainly, there are clichéed parts of the story - but they're mostly there for humourous impact.

When something clichéed occurs in the dramatic parts of the story, it is mostly misdirection. The author is deceiving you into believing one thing, so that he can surprise you with a plot twist later. ] In my book, that's one of the hallmarks of good writing.

-abunai

Na, you know, he's just looking for an excuse It's really not a problem to read backwards, don't you think?

But thanks for the suggestion! X/1999: What is it about and does it have some sarcasm in it?

abunai wrote:

darkhunter wrote: Bleach also doesn't go anywhere. The story is very cliche and how Ichigo got his Soul Reaper powers was very cheap because it felt like it was all setup and the script played out perfectly. That's because spoiler[it was all a setup. You judge Bleach unfairly. Certainly, there are clichéed parts of the story - but they're mostly there for humourous impact. When something clichéed occurs in the dramatic parts of the story, it is mostly misdirection. The author is deceiving you into believing one thing, so that he can surprise you with a plot twist later. ] In my book, that's one of the hallmarks of good writing. -abunai

spoiler[When I think about how Icigo's power was "given" to him, it felt so cheap because he didn't really earn it. I mean it's like Peter Parker being biten by a spider. Now he's an do-gooder, comes and save the day whenever evil hollow appears. After 5 volume, each story is setup almost a like. Someone has a sob story, Icigo solves it, and onto the next one. This is when I wish it would go somewhere.]

darkhunter wrote:

abunai wrote: darkhunter wrote: Bleach also doesn't go anywhere. The story is very cliche and how Ichigo got his Soul Reaper powers was very cheap because it felt like it was all setup and the script played out perfectly. That's because spoiler[it was all a setup. You judge Bleach unfairly. Certainly, there are clichéed parts of the story - but they're mostly there for humourous impact. When something clichéed occurs in the dramatic parts of the story, it is mostly misdirection. The author is deceiving you into believing one thing, so that he can surprise you with a plot twist later. ] In my book, that's one of the hallmarks of good writing. -abunai spoiler[When I think about how Icigo's power was "given" to him, it felt so cheap because he didn't really earn it. I mean it's like Peter Parker being biten by a spider. Now he's an do-gooder, comes and save the day whenever evil hollow appears. After 5 volume, each story is setup almost a like. Someone has a sob story, Icigo solves it, and onto the next one. This is when I wish it would go somewhere.]

So I'm taking it that you haven't read the beyond the 5th volume yet? spoiler[It's a lot more than you believe - and I assure you that you won't see it has Ichigo having been "given" his power at all. In fact, once you see him nearly see him killed by the Rukia's brother, then the story really starts going somewhere. He's left for dead, and is patched up by Urahara. He's then trained to become a Shinigami again, and this time it's clear that he's earned his power. It's off to the Soul Society to rescue Rukia - and the goings on there are quite twisted.]

Honestly, abunai has some pretty decent insight into this - and I can assure you that Bleach is NOT a monster of the week - and your assumptions are incorrect. The stuff you see now changes very soon. Everything up to this point is about character development, and it is very important to this story being told.