Forum - View topicIs it wrong to be a male shoujo fan?
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thejackal221
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I am just seeing if I am weird for this or not
Edit: Earlier I used the wrong wording for this post (loli instead of Shojo) you will have to excuse me as I am still new to the anime culture. Last edited by thejackal221 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Oh boy, everyone into the shelters, the fallout is going to be nasty this time round . . .
But yeah, while I am not comfortable (to put it mildly) with the idea of people "liking" little girls, I don't think it is wrong. Also, not everyone who enjoys watching prepubescent girls actually gets off on them. I should run into my shelter now. Actually, I think I'll choose the fort this time. |
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thejackal221
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as I was thinking about it the I think I am using the word loli in the wrong sense. I guess moe and Shojo is a better way to word what I am talking about
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Mistmanov
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It really depends on what kind of feelings you have while watching it.
If you have "fatherly/big-brotherly'-emotions, people might still find it creepy, but at least it's pretty natural. (men are supposed to feel protective of small children) If you have more "sensual"-emotions, people will definitely find it creepy, and it's not really natural. Now, something being natural isn't exactly a measure of something being good or wrong, but I would be pretty worried if I started feeling that way. |
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Richard J.
 Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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Anyway, I really don't think there's anything wrong with a male liking moe or Shojo anime. All anime fans are kind of a fringe audience as it is, there's nothing wrong with being even more fringe. Moe anime is typically aimed at guys anyway, as it's supposed to trigger that "big brother" feeling in us guys. (Works rather well with me.) There's nothing wrong with that. Shojo is obviously aimed at girls but a good story should be enjoyable by anyone without feeling embarrassed. There's nothing wrong with liking something that's a bit girly. I love the Shugo Chara manga you mentioned. I haven't watched the anime yet but I'm sure I'd like it too. Really, I don't think people should be judged by what they like or dislike, as long as they aren't being a jerk about their preferences, but rather by how they act as a fan. For instance, I prefer dubs to subs but I don't hate on subs. I like a lot of moe anime but I don't hate on action-heavy shonen or mecha or whatever. (Heck I like those too.) I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with liking anything, as long as you aren't some kind of crazy psycho jerk about it. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I advise you to put a caveat on that, before someone quite naturally accuses you of being tolerant of child pornography. Certainly we wouldn't want the thread to be derailed because of such a thoughtless remark. But hey, this was one of those threads to begin with, so I suppose it doesn't matter. |
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DuskyPredator
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Well not too many people bat an eye fo being a fan of say Ichigo Mashimaro which is quite good and people on this site are enjoying the current Hanamaru Kindergarten, I don't think you will be looked down for liking these. I don't really watch anime for fanservice anyway so I just find them fun.
I also recently watched Kure-nai which has loli as a theme on this site, is a surprisingly good gem of a series. Though I will also admit I am a fan of Kodomo no Jikan, most get scared by it's questionable parts before getting some of the other bits. |
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Richard J.
Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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However, if you want me to clarify my own position: Material that is created by criminally abusing anyone is of course NOT OKAY and people who have that material but aren't taking it to the police (even if anonymously) are not good people. Of course, I see nothing wrong with material that is produced through entirely artificial means that involves no actual people. (So child porn = very bad but lolicon hentai is acceptable in my opinion. The same as how a real snuff film would be evidence but a SAW movie is entertainment for some people.) The OP was asking about anime so I didn't feel it was necessary to include any caveats about illegal material made using real children. If no real children are involved, my original statement applies. Fictional material is 100% okay in my book. (Though I suppose for the sake of satisfying those who really can't draw a distinction, I should have made myself just a tad clearer. Fraking thought police.  )
You're probably right that it's too late though. 
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Showsni
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Loli is short for lolicon/lolicom which is short for lolita complex; a person with a complex whereby they are sexually attracted to young girls, deriving its name from the novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. Lolita has become the term for a sexually precocious young girl. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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I'm not sure that sexual is necessarily implicit in the term "complex". |
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DuskyPredator
Posts: 15590 Location: Brisbane, Australia |
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Actualy wouldnt a loli be the actual child, while the lolicon is the character, or the audience, that is usualy how I see it. For instance it is quite common in harem shows or simular to have a "loli character", though this character doesn't necesarily need to be a child, but child like traits. Such examples may be Seitokai's Kurimu, Kanon's Ayu, Saki's Yuki, Lucky Star's Konata and even Toradora's Taiga is often called a loli character.
The elements are often scatered within many anime. |
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Kruszer
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Well, if you watch nothing but shoujo (series aimed at teenage girls) and you're a guy, that would be somewhat weird. However, a few of them are pretty good, Fruits Basket, His and Her Circumstances, Vampire Knight, etc. I've been known to watch those and I'm a guy. I couldn't watch the stuff all the time though.
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EireformContinent
 Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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So loli or shoujo? Make a decision, because there are "a bit" different genres.
Seriously: IMHO if you are not a boy in primary school you don't have to worry (when I was about 10 girls fascinted by Saint Seyia nad Dragon Ball weren't anything strange, but if a boy in my school had admitted that he liked Magic Kinght Rayearth or Sailor Moon he would have been eaten alive)- there's no shoujo/shouen only good/bad ones. Moreover, nowdays the boundary between shoujo/shouen is not as clear as it used to be- nearly every shouen have a "girlish" romance and a bunch of handsome boys, so the main criteria is a magazine where it was published. |
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Beltane70
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I've always been a general manga/anime fan, so for me a tittle being shojo/shonen isn't a determining factor for me. My collection is pretty evenly spread out between most genres. I think it's the content itself that counts, not the genre.
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John Casey
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Word. I love Hellsing and Gantz both to death. Doesn't mean I can't sit down, and pop in to enjoy some Aria. |
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