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I'm glad the review touched upon the animation changes made for home video. It's one of the reasons I am always very skeptical of people defending poor animation choices, as if going off-model was an artistic choice. This can be true too, but it rarely is (mostly true as signature style by certain people only), and you don't know until you see the home video version. I also argue the same in terms of animating on 3s and 4s almost always being due to budgetary and time constraints than actual intent.
As usual, there are a ton of revisions all throughout the show. Combing through the entire show again and fixing up all off model frames--of which there are many, but most of it subtle--as well as correcting outright mistakes, is one aspect. And the other are reworking (re-storyboarding/layout) of scenes. Here are more comparisons for the animation otaku: http://onepixeljump.com/tag/attack-on-titan-blu-ray-tv-comparisons/ sources: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-19385.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18784.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18239.html some pics mirrored here: http://imgur.com/a/aXOYx |
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Cetais
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They changed "Humanity received a grim reminder" line? But that's something ALL of the fans likes.
I mean, everyones associate that with AOT; why changing it? |
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dtm42
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There almost certainly will be a continuation one day; the franchise is just too profitable not to. You do make a good point though, it is always a risk to change the characters. |
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BringBackUzume
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Way to speak for everybody, sir. 
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invalidname
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One (of many) smart things is this review is that by focusing on the adaptive script changes, it gives everyone something to talk about for the next two weeks until we can actually hear the dub.
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bs3311
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Of course he can spoiler[as a titan]. But its the morally displeasing one. Most literature from religion to greek epics, or even video games and movies give the view that humanity can overcome so much, AS HUMANS. Given that the main character. The person the audience is supposed to relate to and root for as a human. To defeat the titans and help hummanity survive as a human. Yet he goes left feild to spoiler[use a shonen power of morphing into a titan] to fight other titans when he himself has rarely killed a single titan as a human[/spoiler]. Eren is no longer a human sincere protagonist IMO since he spoiler[morphs into a titan, a being he hates with a passion.] Yet he is somehow okay with accepting that power. Did Eren as a child when looking out at the horror of the titans destroying his city during the evacuation. Think and vow with vengence on killing every single titan, spoiler[as a titan]? No, because spoiler[not only it was not mentioned or even poorly foreshadowed at the time, but that his power turns into one of the beings that he hates the most that he wants to kill. And overall, he wanted to kill them as a human with the anger of a monster. ] This concept was never mentionend nor advertised in synopsis. This was what I felt was going to be a Bug's Life rendition but with Humans with there capability to struggle yet think quickly on their feet, to outwit the titans with there brains and willpower. Sure its fine to have the cast loose sometimes ala the end of Berserk or post, but with how much its happening. It just becomes so boring that a viewer would want to take there hand in the screen to slap the characters faces around. "AIM FOR THE LEGS, TO GET THE NECK WIDE OPEN!". And how could they be so helpless on spoiler[figthing these human titan shifters yet they were able to put human/skinless titans inside the foundation of the wall?].
The Regular Teenage Orphan Boy was once a Regular Teenage Boy with a family, until a specific event happend making him a Teenaged Orhan Boy who is no longer regular. This setting is far from regular. He Gets Stronger by going trough the ropes that every human goes through unlike a shonen character with special powers to defeat Evil Monsters who killed his Family and in the process Save Humanity. No use or well made hint in Hidden Powers, yet he gets them making his training by going through the ropes that every human goes through. Sarcasticly, entirely pointless. I don't think having a manga author vent out his life with, "feelings of rage and helplessnes" of having the deal with bullies even though the logical thing to do was to go ask teacher or adult for help, to be a stroke of genius in making it darker. I was bullied alot in my life, but you don't see me writing my frustration with life but with the twist of having his bullies be an army of japanese/greek titan monster ravaging cities into a story just for the sake of what another manga auther seems to think, pornagraphic violence for the emotionally stunted Shinji Ikari's who did not know when to grow up. Kentaro Miura was just a regular college student when creating Berserk. Yet with the ideas of his characters coming from real people he was friends with, became the keystone of how all those characters became so memorable along with its story with so many themes into a grand tale. Along with inspiration from Connan and Guin Saga. Even Hideaki Anno got out of his deppresion when finishing the rest of Evangelion. And hearby giving a moral in the story with Shinji's character development. The manga author who originally wanted a red wedding type ending for his story. Is now stuck in having to make his bullies he had no time to understand with, into stereotypical monsters to becoming the evil race to destroy us all. And with the concept of spoiler[human titan shifters. If he is trying to give the audience sympathy for these titans.] Then he just blew it because his intent was to put frustartion out on his problems instead of finding help, into enemies that can be clearly defined as the antagonists. The wall concept seems more inspired for the Great Wall of China. Were any of the workers who died during construction were buried into the wall foundation.
Yes, cause leaving the audience in the dark is not always a good idea. The veiwer will think up odd possabilities to conclude what happens. And when the author pulls down the curtain. They would either: A) Have there theory wrong and conclude that this twist was genious. B) Have the same idea of whats happening yet that idea was never mentioned clearly in the story. Leaving a sense of boredom in the mystery or authors ideas since this concept is for use of emotion rather than logic. C) It would be under the viewers expectation, whom will still continue watching. But with less emotional pull. Answer A is the strongest yet weakest in this form of leaving the audience in the dark. Its just manipulation unlike Berserk or From the New World. The fanbase was already expecting Eren would come back due to the story tossing him out so early compared to Gurren Laggan. And they were expecting, I dunno. SOMETHING BADASS! Mine was for Eren actually able to rip an opening in the titans abdomin or neck. The titan would have to take a severe long time to regenerate due to not only open wounds, but also to reproduce bodily fluid due to tremendous loss. Giving Eren time to escape, since he had so much energy making the fear speech yet having the power to lift his arm while yelling. But, no. Due to me thinking like someone not wanting this show to turn into a even bigger shonen. The real thing happening is that spoiler[Eren can now turn into a titan. With still having his hairdew even though his body is constantly heating up. Everyone could suspect that would be Eren from episode 6 just by action alone and facial expression. Just like who the female titan was from facial apperance and action.] And yes. Forshadowed events can be powerful. Like Berserk, Evangelion, FMAB, From the New World, Clannad and Princess tutu. It needs to be sublte, while the event needs to stay in the persons head. While the events in the future should not overpower those foreshadowed monemts. If so, the viewer will forget the forshadowing. Then when the twist happens, the audience will assume even with the given information that was underblown by future events. The viewer will assume it masterful writing and mindblowing. When infact, it was manipulation at its finest instead of treating the viewer seriously. [EDIT: Dramatically adjusted where spoiler tags were and added some. You weren't using them consistently and were sometimes using them in ways that make the tags virtually pointless. - Key] |
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Key
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Why would you say that? I can't think of anything in AoT that couldn't air on Toonami. Heck, I'll be surprised if they don't leave the OP intact, as (like with Black Lagoon's OP, which they are airing in full) it promotes the show so well.
Few dubs warrant that much attention, though. For instance, Sword Art Online is just as high-profile a title (although I think this one will eventually prove to be an even bigger hit in the States since it has more cross-over potential) but its dub doesn't warrant anywhere near the dissection this one's got because its dub simply doesn't have many points to quibble about. EDIT: Oh, and people, be sure to use spoiler tags appropriately! Since this is a preview for something that is shortly going to be airing on Toonami, this review is more likely than most to pull in people who may not have seen the series yet, so twists beyond the scope of these five episodes should definitely be tagged. Last edited by Key on Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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jr240483
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well it is kinda obvious it will be severely edited if the episodes are exactly like the manga. the eating of humans by the titans might not be edited out, but the nude titans especially the females will be. Also it not a guarantee they will keep the Full OP / ED intact either. Sure they did it for Black Lagoon, and it might be possible, but there is also a chance it wont. so its 50/50 for the OP/ED , but the rest of the content will be edited/cut out , but how severely it will be edited when it shows on AS remains to be seen. |
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getchman
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the titan's lack genitalia, so there's nothing to edit or censor
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Barbobot
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There's 0 titan genitalia and titan breasts are just nipple-less bumps. There is no reason any of that would have to be edited. |
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hojo 360
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 and i say the op they will prob keep as {AS} and Funi i'm sure want this show to be a big hit otherwise why give it a 11:30 time slot i'm sure they know how well it did in Japan
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Shadowrun20XX
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JesuOtaku you are showing proof, literally explaining why the people who hate dubs, hate them so. Why they hate them. When it changes the story, when they change who the characters are, it sucks. Though from what dub trailers I've heard, they sound just fine. I'm real hyped to buy this series when it hits here. Its great to hear that Funi put a ton of feeling into it. Might be one of the greatest ever. We'll find out after it comes out.
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Ashen Phoenix
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My thoughts exactly, comrade. While I'm wary of dialog changes that affect the characters, I'm fairly confident that any missteps will be ironed out in the end. Regarding young!Eren's voice, I was impressed with Papenbrook's work on DRRR!! so while I can agree some adult actors voicing the younger versions of their characters can be a bad move, I'm hoping it isn't so in this case. |
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whiskeyii
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Phew, okay, so your post was kind of a doozy, what with all the run-on sentences and what not, but I think I've got the gist of it. (For those who have not read all the way through the manga nor seen the show, spoilers abound. MAJOR SPOILERS. So read at your own risk. Seriously; these spoilers can ruin the show for you!! 1 and 5 are particularly spoilerly.) As I understand them, your main problems are: 1. The show shifts from being about humans vs. Titans to spoiler[humans and shifters vs. Titans and other shifters]. Fair enough. Some people dropped the Bleach manga when it shifted from urban fantasy to more straight-forward fantasy. I'd still say it's nigh impossible to play the humans vs. Titans card straight successfully all the way through the series given that spoiler[humanity was nearly wiped out before, and that was with far superior numbers] and that spoiler[technology is intentionally kept at around a Industrial Era level.] 2. Regarding the ineffectualness of how humans fight Titans and spoiler[how the walls were constructed]. The timeline of AoT is still extremely vague, even in the manga. It's difficult to tell exactly when anti-Titan combat methods were created, or even when spoiler[the walls and the city were built]. It's also implied that the mortality rate is so high, surviving 10 years fighting Titans is exceptional--this implies that if you don't get the methods right the first time, you won't get many more chances to try again. It's a very "do or die" mentality. But I'll hold off on judging that til we get a proper explanation. Then I can judge for myself whether that explanation is logical or just silly. 3. Eren doesn't go through an spoiler[existential crisis.] I think this is actually hinted at much more strongly in the anime than in the manga, especially considering the spoiler["those who fight monsters"] theme that dominates the last episodes. And we get very few direct thoughts from Eren regarding the matter. If I had to guess, though, I'd say he views his spoiler[ ability] as a means to an end and just another tool at his disposal. 4. You view this show (and possibly the manga, by extension) as being a piss-poor outlet for the mangaka's venting of his frustrations against his bullies, and that it hurts the show more than helps it. I've heard it said more often that the Titans were inspired by his inability to communicate with drunken individuals, but let's leave that aside for now. Let me preface this by saying I don't think you have to have undergone traumatic experiences to write good stories. It certainly helps--Koe no Katachi and that manga about the woman raising an autistic son certainly benefit from what feels like a strong personal connection. However, J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter quite successfully, and without having a deeply traumatic past (at least to my knowledge). But I feel AoT benefits from the mangaka incorporating those 'helpless' feelings. If nothing else, AoT is a very emotionally-driven show, and without those overpowering feelings, I think it would end up being a much flatter narrative. 5. This ties into the show's second arc, so yeah. Spoilers, yo. Eren's poorly foreshadowed spoiler[ability]. While I'd argue the specifics of his spoiler[ability] are vague, there are hints that *something* happened to him early on in the season, specifically with the spoiler[flashback about his father]. Moreover, I think once you realize spoiler[what the Female Titan is], I don't think it's unreasonable to realize that the same concept also applies to spoiler[the Armored and Colossal Titan]. I certainly figured that part out for myself based on spoiler[the appearances and abilities of Eren and the Female Titan], so I feel like the show was already hinting at that power, but in such a way that you had to sit and think about it first. EDIT: Edited to make the spoilers less spoilery, just in case. |
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Anthony.P
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Too late, I already saw it before it got edited. 
I was debating on watching it or not and now I'm not sure...how big of a twist was it regarding the spoiler[one guy being a titan]? |
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