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jfrog



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:52 am Reply with quote
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And the fact that people besides myself are comparing it to a Miyazaki film is a bad sign, because Miyazaki needs to retire before he starts recycling like he did in Spirited Away.


Castle in the Sky was far more derivative of Miyazaki's earlier work than Spirited Away (which rather sticks out in his catalogue), and you can't say he stopped running out of ideas in 1986.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:42 am Reply with quote
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I agree, which is why End of Evangelion sucks. But Akira does make sense if you pay attention.

End of Evangelion makes sense. If there was something you didn't understand, I'd be glad to explain it to you. Because by the looks of "Boy masturbates and destroys the world," you grasped only the basic plot concept and the most infamous scene, which are actually quite unrelated. End of Evangelion and Akira are my two favorite movies of all time.

I am greatly anticipating the U.S. release of Steamboy. Hurry, Columbia Tristar!
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Too bad. They both went over your head.


Or maybe it was just you who went in over your head thinking they had more to say than they really did.

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Do you think anything is original? It seems like for everything that has popular appeal, you feel it's your duty to denounce it as a rip-off of [insert obscure movie here]/ [insert random book here]/ [insert kid's blog entry here].


Well popularity is usually heightened by the lack of originality of the material.

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Not everything can be 100% original. With so many centuries of literature under our belt, there comes a point when you CAN'T make something that's 100% original. And when it is, people decry it as being pompous, "drugged," or "HA, what a hack! People think it's cool just because it's original! Clearly they don't know what they're talking about!"


I usually only consider the person a hack when they splice ideas from obscure sources without actually building anything new with them.

jfrog:
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Castle in the Sky was far more derivative of Miyazaki's earlier work than Spirited Away (which rather sticks out in his catalogue), and you can't say he stopped running out of ideas in 1986.


Really? Let's compare. Castle in the Sky uses Western literary elements to create a fantasy world in an effort to bring forth important messages about how we interact within our own world. Spirited Away uses Japanese literary elements mixed in a real world setting to create a hybrid world in an effort to bring forth important messages about how we interact within our own world. At least Castle in the Sky's an improved version of Future Boy Conan, while Spirited Away has nothing I haven't seen in Totoro.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:13 am Reply with quote
"Well popularity is usually heightened by the lack of originality of the material."

That is not really true. Maybe something is popular because of appeal, origanlity, content, OR inovation (I know I spelled most of those wrong, but you know what I mean).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:35 am Reply with quote
Rah Rah: Sometimes, but rarely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:41 am Reply with quote
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And the fact that people besides myself are comparing it to a Miyazaki film is a bad sign, because Miyazaki needs to retire before he starts recycling like he did in Spirited Away.


Dear Hayao Miyazaki,

It has come to my attention that your recent work is being compared to Katsuhiro Otomo's recent film, Steamboy. Myself and another forum user on an American anime forum I go to both have seen what we percieve to be similarities between your films and his film. I think this means you should retire immediately because you're starting to repeat yourself, and there is no higher crime in the rule of man.

Sincerely,
GATSU

P.S. If you don't believe me, watch Spirited Away and then Totoro. Those two films are exactly alike! I mean, one has... uh... a little girl and so does the other one... and... I mean, they're EXACTLY alike, you no-talent hack!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:47 am Reply with quote
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I usually only consider the person a hack when they splice ideas from obscure sources without actually building anything new with them.


Which is basically everyone, since I've only ever seen you praise the ultra-violent, potato-headed stuff you seem to love from the 1980's (read: Raijin Comics' entire lineup. We all saw how popular and loved those titles were when the entire company went down in flames. Of course, I suppose that makes it perfect for you, since nobody else liked it, it wasn't popular, so that means it's safe for you to enjoy). The ONLY thing I've seen you praise here lately is a film you haven't seen, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence. That's it. Everything else is some unoriginal knockoff of some other thing you saw and that makes it bad.

I'm at the point where I don't think you actually watch anything, you just read reviews by internet film "critics" and then bash things on message boards. Which stands to reason, given your completely nonsensical, illogical posts in this thread and most others.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:20 pm Reply with quote
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It has come to my attention that your recent work is being compared to Katsuhiro Otomo's recent film, Steamboy. Myself and another forum user on an American anime forum I go to both have seen what we percieve to be similarities between your films and his film. I think this means you should retire immediately because you're starting to repeat yourself, and there is no higher crime in the rule of man.


Actually, I thought Miyazaki needed to retire, with or without
any similarities of his films to Steamboy. When he's only making money on the basis of him saying, "This is my last film" as a publicity stunt, it cheapens the value of his work. Well that, and almost hiring out a Digimon director for his next project...

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P.S. If you don't believe me, watch Spirited Away and then Totoro. Those two films are exactly alike! I mean, one has... uh... a little girl and so does the other one... and... I mean, they're EXACTLY alike, you no-talent hack!


They pretty much are alike though. Little girls meets Japanese spirits in both films.

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I usually only consider the person a hack when they splice ideas from obscure sources without actually building anything new with them.

Which is basically everyone,


Nah, just people who co-opt classic artistic styles to get a lot of praise from critics at Sundance and Cannes.

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since I've only ever seen you praise the ultra-violent, potato-headed stuff you seem to love from the 1980's (read: Raijin Comics' entire lineup. We all saw how popular and loved those titles were when the entire company went down in flames. Of course, I suppose that makes it perfect for you, since nobody else liked it, it wasn't popular, so that means it's safe for you to enjoy).


It's not that nobody else liked Raijin. It's just that Jump was marketed more effectively. Hell, if you compare old reviews of Jump and Raijin on ANN, Raijin progressively becomes more appealing to the reviewer than Jump.

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The ONLY thing I've seen you praise here lately is a film you haven't seen, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence.


I'm just updating my impressions. I never said, "Innocence is the best ever".

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That's it. Everything else is some unoriginal knockoff of some other thing you saw and that makes it bad.


Yep. The industry's in a creative slump.

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I'm at the point where I don't think you actually watch anything, you just read reviews by internet film "critics" and then bash things on message boards.


I watch when it matters.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:11 pm Reply with quote
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Actually, the End of Evangelion made plenty of sense, if you paid attention. Heaven forbid a movie require you to think and pull from Biblical and psychological references to understand the movie.


Oh, God. *rimshot* *duck*

GATSU wrote:
P.S. If you don't believe me, watch Spirited Away and then Totoro. Those two films are exactly alike! I mean, one has... uh... a little girl and so does the other one... and... I mean, they're EXACTLY alike, you no-talent hack!


We throwing in Kiki's Delivery service, too?

What is it with early times and action? Just a question, not a derisive comment?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:36 pm Reply with quote
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Actually, I thought Miyazaki needed to retire, with or without
any similarities of his films to Steamboy. When he's only making money on the basis of him saying, "This is my last film" as a publicity stunt, it cheapens the value of his work.


So that's the secret of of Myazaki's success, publicity stunts. Silly me, I thought it had something to do with his talent as a director or something. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:00 pm Reply with quote
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They pretty much are alike though. Little girls meets Japanese spirits in both films.


I'm sorry, I missed the part where Totoro turned into a bastard and made Mei and Satsuki his slaves.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:20 am Reply with quote
Stay on topic, please.. this is about Steamboy, not EoE/Totoro/whatever.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:38 pm Reply with quote
it look's good.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:20 am Reply with quote
Alright. Finally saw the film tonight. I guess I still support the argument that it's of a crowd-pleaser than his other work, as I only saw two people leave the theater, which was moderately packed. Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen. Hopefully, at least Otomo'll make his money back on it, and maybe even get Best Animated Film. Anyway, my thoughts.

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Gone are the confusingly labyrinthine plot machinations of Otomo’s other films; Steamboy is a straight-shooting, easy-to-follow adventure tale.


Yes and no.The story's simple, but he suggests concepts which he can't quite effectively explore, because he's wedging them into a Bruckheimer film. (Maybe he decided to take a cue from Kojima...) So you're so busy watching things explode that you can't concentrate on the dialogue.

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The film gives you someone to root for, someone to hate, someone to laugh at and a simple philosophical question to ponder about the nature of progress;


Actually, I felt the characters were fairly three-dimensional. Also, it wasn't always easy to tell whether it was a question or a statement. Otomo seemed too confused to know what he wanted with the characters.

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It’s like the best of both worlds: thought-provoking, intelligent Japanese-style themes combined with exciting, Western-style action set pieces and pacing, minus all the problems that usually accompany these two filmic forms.


Sure, if you liked Spirits Within...

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They’ve successfully combined 2D and 3D here in a technique reminiscent of Mamoru Oshii’s visually striking Ghost in the Shell: Innocence.


It's also similar to Innocence, in that you'll be let down after waiting years for your favorites director to return.

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The film uses CG sparingly, relying mostly on highly advanced and beautifully animated traditional animation.


But the budget for the cg hurt the quality of the 2-d, which often lacks texture and vibrancy.

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Most importantly, the visuals serve the story; too often in big-budget action films like this we see the storyline concoct a series of disappointing contrivances in order to ratchet up the action. Steamboy carefully avoids this pitfall and forces the visuals to tell the story rather than guide it.


Which is why you'll be wondering what just happened after you're finished watching...

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Otomo has really accomplished something here; he’s the first Japanese auteur outside of Studio Ghibli to successfully bridge the culture gap between American and Japanese film,


He did that long before Ghibli.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that Steamboy's way too ambitious-probably moreso than Akira-to be considered an instant artistic success. But like Roujin Z and Stink Bomb, it's a film that can be appreciated on a lesser scale for having the gall
to be completely different from what you expected and wanted from Otomo-san. I will give him credit for doing what he wanted, and not what Toho wanted. Hopefully, he'll still be full of those surprises for years to come.
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