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Why Doesn't Stroker and Hoop Classify as Anime?

Than I guess Eminem is not a real rapper than. And this sushi I'm eating is counterfeit (i made it).

Sorry, but you totally misinterpreted what they were saying (there is a heck of a lot more to that than what you picked and chosen). Anime is a term we outsiders changed in what we call this crazy wierd cartoon style those wacky Japanese folk brought to us. Anime regardless of what race or culture pulls it off originated in Japan, because the Japanese culture was (and still remains) the supernova for that inspiration.

I don't think anybody ever brought up skin color, you just have to be Japanese. I don't mean Japanese American either, I mean Japanese. It's a cultural thing, not a racial thing. I imagine that a white or black person, raised in Japan as a full Japanese (Japanese as a first language, full Japanese education, etc.) could produce true anime, just as Eminem, truly immersed in urban culture, can produce true rap. Vanilla Ice, not immersed in urban culture, but a fan of it, cannot.

People not truly engaged in Japanese culture (and no, watching a lot of anime, learning Japanese, and going to a bunch of cons does not qualify you) trying to produce anime is like the typical white guys going to a suburban highschool with no actual black people and trying to be street. It clearly doesn't work.

And again, IT'S NOT A MEASURE OF QUALITY.

Than I guess Eminem is not a real rapper than. And this sushi I'm eating is counterfeit (i made it).

Isaaru wrote:

Than I guess Eminem is not a real rapper than. And this sushi I'm eating is counterfeit (i made it). Sorry, but you totally misinterpreted what they were saying (there is a heck of a lot more to that than what you picked and chosen). Anime is a term we outsiders changed in what we call this crazy wierd cartoon style those wacky Japanese folk brought to us. Anime regardless of what race or culture pulls it off originated in Japan, because the Japanese culture was (and still remains) the supernova for that inspiration.

So, wanna argue whether or not the sky is blue? Anime is a loanword of Japanese origin, just like ninja, tofu, tsunami etc., it's part of the English language now and has a specific definition. The English language borrows words from other languages all the time. Take a look at all these words, they're all taken from different languages and have specific definitions. The examples you used are irrelevant because the definition of a rapper does not require them to be black (most of them are though) and sushi is sushi, there is no requirement for it having to be of Japanese origin unlike the term "anime".

okay, hang on there truck driver! Your the one who doesnt want "no more opinions." I have no idea what point your making about the word itself. Anime means two different things between us and the Japanese.. read your ANN lexicon example again (and not just what you lifted out of there).

the examples I wrote in my thread are quite relevant. And you proved why. There is no definition that states a person or people who produce anime must be Japanese. Anime is of Japanese origin. Rap music is of African American origin. Sushi is of Japanese origin. If you don't get what the heck I was saying than, read that ANN lexicon again and again till you get it right.

Once again peoples... Whether anime is anime should really be up to the beholder, and should be kept open as such. As far as factual stuff goes, there is no such thing as an art style only a certain people can perform and no one else. If you wish to prove otherwise is a fact, show some scientific evidence why. Tell me about this "anime genome."

Anime is a word used by the Japanese, "borrowed" from French to describe something they had no word for.

Manga already meant "cartoon" (IIRC). There was a need to distinguish between a still cartoon, and an animated one. Anime is, I guess, easily pronounced by the japanese, so there you go.

Anime = Animation. All animation. This is why I, personally, distinguish things by their country of origin and my native word for animation. Which, is animation.

Japanese Animation
American Animation
Canadian Animation
British Animation
Afghanistanimation, whatever.

It's all cartoons. I think its funny when (some) folks cling desperately to the idea that nothing that isn't from the purest intentions of a native Japanese, or the idea didn't originate there, that it isn't anime.

You go to Japan, you buy a season of the Simpsons, you're buying anime. American/Korean (arguably) anime, but anime none the less.

/rant

There is no definition that states a person or people who produce anime must be Japanese.

Noun
anime

Animated works that originated in Japan. Sometimes has a related manga or video game. Voice actors for characters in an anime are called seiyuu for the non-dubbed versions.

tofu

a shortened form of the English word 'animation' referring to Japanese cartoons.

Animated movies produced in Japan.

Japanese animated cartoon

Anime (アニメ) is Japanese animation, sometimes billed in the west under the portmanteau Japanimation

Ok so acording to Nanji...

2Real wrote:

at then end of every episode that is the end of the story. there is no continuation from ep to ep. it is that simple. Also, to get further into detail, there is no devlopment in anyway, there is not plot or "final boss" to this show at all. It is more of a cartoon/ animeted short (i don't know if it can be called a short because it only streches for one episode over many episodes), but it is not a real anime.

So, you're saying one of the criteria for a show to be anime is that it "must" have an ongoing storyline? So, you're saying that Lupin III, Gigantor, You're Under Arrest, Golden Boy, and other series that are pretty clearly anime (and even undeniable milestones of the medium, at that), aren't anime at all?

2Real wrote:

If you can't tell by watching the show, sorry to say this, but your not realy watching the show at all. You shouldn't watch anime if you can't grasp it to its fullness. You aprently are not viewing anime as it is men to be viewed (not that anime should be viewed in any way particular, but you HAVE TO KNOW about the happenings of everything, the world and everything in it, to completly understand it in its full potential).

"As it was meant to be viewed?" Dude, it's just cartoons. It's not like anime are some deep, impactful manifestos on the sanctity and development of the human psyche and relative culture. They're cartoons from Japan, each one produced largely with the intent of providing a half-hour-ish of idle enjoyment every week (some including a slightly heavier theme than others, but those still being in the minority). In that way, the vast majority of anime and Stroker & Hoop are a lot alike. There is no "grasping its fullness," because most of it is meant to be taken as mindless diversion, just as Stroker & Hoop is.

There's a dfferent visual style, yes, but anime isn't on some "holier than thou" pedestal above other cartoons, but merely cartoons themselves of a different national origin.

Ok so acording to Nanji ( i think that is how is/her name is spelled. If an anime dose not have to have a story line then bugs bunny is an animation.

Shows that have a continueing story to it. Not a show that has a 30 munite story and that is the end of it and the next episode has nothing to do with the previous one.

If you are looking for a text book ancer then yes, Nanji you area right. All cartoons are considered animes, because they are animated drawings. This is everying from the Smurfs to Ani-Matrix. So why isn't The Smurfs or Stroker and Hoop listed in your collection? For that fact GI Joes and Bugs Bunny?

Shows that streach over serval episodes to creat a series I consider anime.

Anime is a word used by the Japanese, "borrowed" from French to describe something they had no word for.

Manga already meant "cartoon" (IIRC). There was a need to distinguish between a still cartoon, and an animated one. Anime is, I guess, easily pronounced by the japanese, so there you go.

Anime = Animation. All animation. This is why I, personally, distinguish things by their country of origin and my native word for animation. Which, is animation.

Japanese Animation
American Animation
Canadian Animation
British Animation
Afghanistanimation, whatever.

It's all cartoons. I think its funny when (some) folks cling desperately to the idea that nothing that isn't from the purest intentions of a native Japanese, or the idea didn't originate there, that it isn't anime.

You go to Japan, you buy a season of the Simpsons, you're buying anime. American/Korean (arguably) anime, but anime none the less.

/rant

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There is no definition that states a person or people who produce anime must be Japanese.

No, but there is one saying it must be of Japanese origin.

Wictionary wrote:

Noun anime Animated works that originated in Japan. Sometimes has a related manga or video game. Voice actors for characters in an anime are called seiyuu for the non-dubbed versions.

ok...since you went through the trouble..
[quote="Japanvisitor.com"]a shortened form of the English word 'animation' referring to Japanese cartoons.

Animated movies produced in Japan.

Japanese animated cartoon

Anime (アニメ) is Japanese animation, sometimes billed in the west under the portmanteau Japanimation

Japanimation and Japanese animation also pretty much mean the same thing as anime. Hmm, I really don't need to say anymore. If you still think differently I'm gone.

Anime- A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.