Forum - View topicCrunchyroll to drop honorifics?
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Ahab
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Not sure if this has been announced or discussed on this site elsewhere but, it would seem that Crunchyroll has announced that they are going to discontinue using honorifics in their subtitles...
http://www.mania.com/mx-media-to-eliminate-honorifics-subtitles_article_125601.html personally, I am very happy with the news and heres a fantastic article explaining why! http://www.colonydrop.com/index.php/2010/10/06/operation-british-phase-seven?blog=1 |
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garfield15
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Hm. Don't know how I feel about that.
Besides FUNimation, CR keeps honorifics in their subs and I really liked that. It just feels kind of awkward without seeing them there. |
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ikillchicken
 Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Good for them. I only hope this is the first step toward more natural, less rigid subtitles in general.
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Generic #757858
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More power to them. I can tolerate honorifics in a series with a Japanese setting, but otherwise leaving them in is inexcusable. Good translations shouldn't resort to using them and let's not even mention 'untranslatable' terms like nakama, baka or kawaii.
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Blood-
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Here's my favourite bit from the Colony Drop link that the Ahab provided:
 Troof dat.
Honorifics have always meant shit to me, so I won't miss them. |
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ailblentyn
 Posts: 1688 Location: body in Ohio, heart in Sydney |
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I feel there are many different philosophies of translation, and different tastes, and people shouldn't be too snobby one way or the other. Personally I like a few preserved honorifics. After all, what's a school romance story without a sempai or two? 
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Ggultra2764
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If the title they translate for is in a non-Japanese setting, I could certainly see the need to ditch honorifics considering how awkward it would be to translate for any title that takes place in a Western setting have people addressing each other with "san" or "sama" at the end of a name. On the other hand, the honorifics are a form of formality used for the culture where should be emphasized for titles that take place in a Japanese setting where they tie in to the type of relationships people have with one another and approaching the translations of such titles from a Western mentality might lead to some awkward moments of translation.
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Olivine
 Posts: 197 Location: Sol 3 |
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Remember, kids. If it ain't broke, you damn well better fix it until it is.
How will they translate the difference between something like this? 1. Random girl walks up to guy girl: おはよう (surname)さん! everyone else: *crickets* 2. Random girl walks up to guy girl: おはよう お兄ちゃん！ everyone else: ???? Ok, I know they COULD translate it, but it would take more backflips and awkwardness than just putting in the honorifics that pretty much everyone understands anyway. This is just lazy pandering to the lowest common denominator. For more fun, time to translate without the honorifics! 1. Good morning. Mr. (surname)! 2. Good morning, ...honored adolescent male person...thing...teehee? This will not end well. Edit: Fixin' the daily fail. Last edited by Olivine on Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Spastic Minnow
Bargain Hunter Exempt from Grammar Rules  Posts: 4640 Location: Gainesville, FL |
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I'm completely in the "Keep 'em" camp. In some series, no, it doesn't matter, but in others, ones with romance in particular, it can be an actual plot point when a girl/guy starts using a different form of their interest's name.
And because these are weekly simulcasts they do not know in advance if the use of honorifics will be important later on so it's best to just leave them. Besides, does dropping of honorifics also mean they'll be replacing spoken last names (with honorific) with written first names? That's a HUGE pet peeve of mine. I hate hearing one name and reading another. |
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Megiddo
 Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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One of my favorite things with subs that do not include honorifics is how frickin terrible they are when honorifics are actually brought up in conversation.
Like I love looking at such subs when a character says "drop the honorific" or "use X honorific when addressing me". I imagine they're also going to switch to referring to everyone by their first name, because that's how practically everyone in the English speaking world colloquially speaks to each other? Oh boy. Viz-styled subs. I can hardly wait =\ |
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garfield15
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Man, I can't tell you much that annoyed me during Asura Cryin' I can clearly hear the girl calling him "Natsume-kun" and each time, I was reading "Tomoharu." It's like "Hello? At least just leave his last name in!" There are usually plot-related reasons why honorifics are left in from time to time and in full translation without those, it would sound/look awkward |
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Kruszer
 Posts: 7995 Location: Minnesota, USA |
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Good. I've always been one for the advocation of dropping useless formalities.
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SDS
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Man I really hate when a wife calls her husband "Anata" and they translate it as "Dear."
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Spastic Minnow
Bargain Hunter Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 4640 Location: Gainesville, FL |
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Is this sarcastic? How is it useless if it's a plot point? I'd say over half of the shows I've watched have had characters talk, however briefly, about the honorifics someone uses. "please don't call me -chan" "You now have to call me -sama!" "can I call you -kun?" "can I call you my your fisrt name?" etc. |
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ailblentyn
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