Forum - View topicThis Week in Anime - In Defense of Carl Macek's Robotech
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Thundercracker
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Butchering and changing original works is disrespectful.
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Otaku-sempai
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The only thing I have against Macek (or, more properly, Harmony Gold) is how he's kept us from getting a proper North American localization of the original Macross and the Do you Remember Love? movie. Granted, I'm also not a fan of Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years, but at least it's not Roger Corman's Galaxy Express.
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mdo7
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Uh, to be fair. Japan did the same thing to a Korean animated film back in 2004 before you registered and joined ANN, and if you think I'm making this up, I'm not, read this conversation post:
So what Japan did to this Korean animated film is not much different from how US did to anime long time ago. |
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Thundercracker
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And? This does not change my point. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6980 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Because I've seen anime fans pulling double standard when it comes to editing foreign works, I've seen anime fans decrying USA's editing and butchering of anime, but when Japan does something similar, they defend a Japanese companies changing or editing those animation whether it's American or Korean. Do you understand where I'm coming from? How do I know you're not pulling any double standard? How do I know you're not defending a Japanese company that want to oh I don't know editing or dumbing down an American adult animation to a kid animation in Japan? |
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Beatdigga
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I can sympathize with Macek’s situation in 1984 but the Frankensteinan monster that Robotech is now, with the copyright trolling and legitimate mafia connections (HG executives were convicted of laundering for the Italian mafia), no, just no. To be fair, Carl had no idea what he was getting himself into. Nor could he had seen just how utterly petty HG would be to the point I remain convinced the next Macross project will be some sort of Robotech-free reboot just to divorce the company from them.
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TarsTarkas
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I have that VHS tape shown in the article, bought it mail order from an ad in the Starlog magazine. This was my entry drug into the world of anime. From there I started buying Japanese anime laserdiscs from Jelly's in Oahu. Iczer One, Outlanders, Gallforce, and Dirty Pair were some of my first purchases.
If it wasn't for a Robotech ad in a magazine, I probably would have never found anime. As for Harmony Gold, I am not mad at them. I blame the Japanese companies for that. It is their fault. If anyone of us was in Harmony Gold's position, we wouldn't give up Robotech either. I think Harmony Gold gets the flack, because they are an American company that you can reach out an touch, while the arguing Japanese companies are out of reach, and at time probably wouldn't have given a damn about what American fans thought or cared about. |
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snake-eyes
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I have no problem with Carl Macek. I Love Robotech The Macross Saga and I watched Super Dimension Fortress Macross. I prefer the Ending of SDFM as the Bridge Crew does not get wiped out in a Khyron Suicide attack. The only thing I didn’t like is how Clueless Rick was to Lisa Hayes. I would have liked them to get married at the end of the series. I do Love a happy ending. However, I do have a problem with Macross today. A new video game is being released in the US Macross Insight, that removed original Macross characters. I only like Robotech, SDFM and Do You Remember Love. Until that is rectified (Likekly Never) I have no interest in any other Macross.
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Thundercracker
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If I was going to defend Japan, I would have said "original japanese works". |
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kgw
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I watched Robotech (in TV!) when I was a kid, and I liked it.
What I do not like NOW is not the changes of the story, or changing Japanese songs for American ones. More or less, in the beginning almost everyone did that because the license deals ("oh, I have a Japanese series for you, no scripts, just a quick summary in English, do you want it?"). What I cannot stand, nor defend is that because of him and Harmony Gold, the world which is not the US (or UK, Canada and Australia, or Asia) is blocked from watching Macross. |
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Great Rumbler
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I really can't bring myself to hate on Macek or Robotech because that series blew me away as a 10-year-old when I first watched it in 1997. I'd never seen anything like it before, with an on-going storyline and more mature writing. I'm sure I would have gotten into anime at some point eventually, but Robotech is where it started for me.
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Kougeru
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There's no defending Robotech or Mecek. "we wouldn't be where we are now" is a weird assumption to even make. I'd argue we'd be doing better without Robotech. We might've even grown much faster if people saw the real Macross earlier, properly distributed it. Everything even associated with Harmony Gold is a stain on the history of anime and nothing good came from it, objectively.
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medicinodestiny
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I agree, but I think Robotech trying to be its own thing is at least more creative and honest than when Disney tried to release Macross over here and still censored it anyway. The latter seems a lot more deceptive and disrespectful than just trying to make your own kids show using footage from various series. |
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MarshalBanana
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For as much as he might be disliked, I always see fans of his whenever the first Vampire D film comes up. |
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GWOtaku
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These people did defend him and gave actual reasons for why, unlike you. It's pretty rich to call their assertion an "assumption" and then make your own with absolutely nothing to back it up with. Carl Macek was a pioneer and people hating on him specifically have totally lost the plot - period. |
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! I don't see what Gainax is doing is much different from what Hollywood studios are making to many foreign films. 
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