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Green1012
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Sorry if this sounds rude, but is this Reviewer familier with recent One Piece? They make it sound like they barely understand the celestrial dragons and WG, which have been a huge factor in the story for at least most of the decade.
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yuricon
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Hi there. I have been watching One Piece since the very beginning, so yes. Thanks for your concern. When I said I did not "understand" the Celestial Dragons, it was a rhetorical means to indicate that they are an annoying, stupid, pointless plot complication, like having ketamine-fueled techbros and "actually" guys running a government. Irritating and obnoxious and not at all entertaining. |
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Juno016
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I generally agree with the overall impression of the film in the review. It's an absolute spectacle (to the point that it turned Ado into my favorite singer and she hasn't left that spot since) and I bought the film so I could watch it again and again, but in terms of narrative, it definitely felt rushed and the tragedy somewhat contrived. The bittersweet moments still hit, but I did leave the theater originally thinking "I wish I cared for Uta's backstory and character arc as much as I cared for her character itself". It ultimately feels narratively like every other One Piece movie, then, with too much crammed in to care about what could be great bits if we had more time to process them. It's still the only One Piece movie I own and while I'd love to eventually own the Hosoda film, I'm fine with this for now. I don't care for any of the others.
But in the review, and maaaaaybe I'm just overthinking this (I apologize in advance if I'm making too big a deal out of it), the lines below bothered me a bit:
I was talking to a friend yesterday about how I often try to write tragedies (because it's one of my favorite genres to read), but then I cave to my instincts and can't hurt my characters. She responded by saying that she finds herself so "goody-two-shoes" (following expectations, not being able to emote well, etc.) irl that she needs an outlet for her emotions in her writing and will take wholesome characters and drop them into tragedies or kill them off as a personal means of expression. Only then will she try to give the tragedies and deaths substance, which surprised me because she's really good at writing short stories. I've heard similar sentiments from Ohkawa-sensei in CLAMP, and I think I get it as a writer who wants to express myself in fiction, but has the opposite problem and is too brutally honest and passive to just... hurt my characters like I think needs to happen for them. I think One Piece is largely thematically _about_ how abuse of power structures hurts people, and a lot of it involves long-term trauma because most of the tragedy is setup for Luffy and the crew to walk into an already bad situation that they can solve, meaning the people they meet were kids when things got started. It can certainly be exploitative for the sake of empathy for the audience, but as someone with childhood trauma, it resonates better for me on an emotional level that way. I get that it's just the reviewer's impression and opinion, and I could just be overreacting a bit to a single point in a review, but I personally feel it's not a good thing to treat this kind of dark expression as some sort of "creepy fetish" when there are so many other healthier likelihoods out there. |
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jroa
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Well, I don't think One Piece typically needs any spirited defense, whether whole or in part, and especially not when this particular movie has already made a small fortune and is in no danger of being ignored, underrated or forgotten, but be that as it may...I personally really liked this film and the fact it is the thematically darkest (or, I suppose, perhaps the second darkest) motion picture in the history of the property ultimately counts as a positive rather than a negative in my book. There's arguably more nuance to Uta's character as well, even if you can still notice the storytelling tropes, but even that angle has been better debated and explored elsewhere across the Internet by this point. If anything, the currently rather depressing state of the world makes me appreciate this kind of movie more than the alternative.
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yuricon
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That is certainly a valid perspective, and one I had not considered, so thank you for that. But you'll excuse me if I rely on the creator's ideal of "adventure," which is rooted in loss and trauma. An inordinate amount of anime relies on children's trauma and I do find it creepy. Not just here, but across the entire medium. There are good reasons for it in many cases, but as an adult, children's tears make me very angry and I do not care to be made angry as a jumping-off point in my "entertainment." I do think it is creepy to lean on hurting children so often in a story created for children. |
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yuricon
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Absolutely reasonable perspective. ![]() |
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tintor2
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I watched the movie but I gotta say the tragic backstories are something that One Piece uses a lot. Already in the early episodes we see Nami losing her mother and becoming a thief after horrible things are done to her. Sanji saw his guardian nearly dying out of hunger. Usopp grew up without a father, etc. The case of the idol feels like a faster backstory pulled in a faster pace. It would have been interesting if Shanks had several flaws when it comes to this story, but in the end he was the same character that inspired Luffy. If the movie had been that strong, Oda could have referenced it in the manga though in the same way Toriyama started using Toei's characters like Bardock and Broly.
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Triltaison
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I agree with this. It really feels like the core is just "Well, this awful thing has always been done this way and there's no way to do otherwise" and then Luffy wanders by, notices awful thing, and says "That's stupid. Stop it." |
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Top Gun
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To clarify, since I don't think it was mentioned in the review: the episodes on the bonus disc were part of the TV series run that aired before the movie. More specifically, the two-part Uta flashback was the standard movie tie-in that the anime has been doing since...Strong World I think, while the Shanks episode was one of the recap specials that the anime has been using during Wano and Egghead to buy time, albeit with a bit of Uta framing at the start and finish. The flashback episodes in particular should be watched before the movie, since they aired before its release and lead right into it. (They're also arguably more "canon" than the movie itself, since Uta fits into the same category as Shiki from Film Z: they're both canon characters, but their movies don't necessarily fit into the main series storyline.) The Shanks recap isn't really necessary unless you need a refresher on the character. And not that it's all that important or anything, but only two actual movies (8 and 9) have been arc summaries; the "Episode of" entries that did that were all TV specials.
I enjoyed Film Red a lot; it stands out even among the rest of the big newer films after the Strong World refresh. I think it's notable that it and Hosoda's film 6 were both helmed by talented directors who went with darker themes than your standard Jump spinoff movie. It's true that Uta's character development was somewhat rushed, which is par for the course in this sort of film, but I still found her to be an interesting character with a motivation we really haven't seen in the series before. She had a great rapport with Luffy in the time she had. And I'm hardly a fan of idol-style pop in most cases, but her songs were absolute bangers, especially when paired with the fantastic music video-style animation sequences. One or two more thoughts:
I was somewhat confused by the "creepy fetish" comment in the review, so thank you for clarifying further. However, I don't see how Oda in particular or even anime in general deserves to be called out over childhood trauma when it's a nigh-ubiquitous literary device. (See: at least half of the Newberry medal winners I read as a kid, especially if there was a dog on the cover...) I'm pretty sure there are multiple hefty TV Tropes pages to the effect of "My Parents are Dead." Hell, Disney has been making bank off of childhood trauma for nearly its entire existence, from Bambi to The Lion King and beyond. So yes, while Oda has never met a traumatic backstory he doesn't love, he's hardly alone in this, and there's a good reason it's such an effective trope to create stakes for a character.
Now this I don't understand at all. The Celestial Dragons are absolutely stupid and obnoxious, because they're intentionally written to be so. They're the living embodiment of what happens when sheer incompetence is given absolute power for no good reason. They are the 1%. But that's exactly what makes it oh-so-satisfying when someone, say, punches them in the face so hard that it knocks the color out of them. And to call them "pointless" from a plot perspective just doesn't hold up, because their special status has directly affected the story on numerous occasions, and the reason why they hold that status in the first place remains one of the biggest underlying mysteries of the series, one that's received some very tantalizing hints over the past few years (and maybe even more than that in the manga, I'm only current with the anime). Also unless I'm forgetting something I don't think they played any direct role in this film at all, did they? My last thought isn't meant as a personal criticism of Erica's writing at all, but more confusion on the review choice as a whole. Film Red has already received multiple full reviews on this site, both when it was initially released in theaters over two years ago and when it came out on BD over a year ago. So I assumed that the primary reason it would receive a new review now would be to talk about the merits of the new 4K release specifically: how it looks, whether it was really worth the upgrade from BD, and so on. But those technical merits weren't addressed in the review at all, and Erica even noted that she didn't have access to a 4K setup to test them. Again, no disrespect meant to Erica at all, and I enjoyed reading what she had to say, but wouldn't have it make sense to at least include a technical write-up from another staff member who could watch the 4K disc and make a recommendation about it? |
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Marimer Est
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This reads less like a review, and more like a ResetEra thread.
Sorry if that was a bit too honest... |
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NJ_
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That was a nice addition and also a sign of how far along the dub was since Toei released them on the Microsoft Store a week before the original Blu-ray set came out. A shame the Anime Limited UK release was missing it but then again, there were a lot of things off about that release. |
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