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be_low
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If there is a way to reveal that there is going to be a Sonic 4, and that Amy Rose and Rogue the Bat are going to be in it, without spoilers then please do. If anything, the lack of female characters their age and peers is what have helped make the games and cartoon and comic adaptations so enduring over the decades but these "live action" movies have been missing. Tails' girlfriend Cosmo in Sonic X was daring and amazing storytelling in kid's media. Even Elise in the Sonic 06 ... well she wasn't the reason why that game was such a debacle.
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Hal14
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spoiler[I saw leaked clip of Amy rose in this movie (Sonic 3)] |
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Top Gun
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I'm kind of surprised by statements like this, along with the general excitement over his character being included. At least from an outsider's perspective, I remember him being an object of pretty widespread ridicule back in the early and mid-2000s after he was introduced. He felt like the living embodiment of the angry edgelord stereotype from that time, and that was only multiplied by his stand-alone outing: "Hey, what if we gave him A GUN?" (For my part I played and loved the Genesis titles, but I have no personal experience with any of Sonic's 3D outings where plot became a big factor.) Granted this was half a lifetime ago, so maybe the discourse has changed since then, but my initial reaction to seeing Shadow announced for this movie was "Wait...people want to remember Shadow?" |
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BaronViolet
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The only people who want to remember Shadow are the fans who remember the REAL SHADOW. Not the edge lord with guns, but a conflicted person who wanted to avenge his dear friend, lost his way and ultimately redeemed himself and vowed 2 protect the earth in her memory. The edge lord image exists because most modern "fans" do not bothere to look too deeply into Shadow's original backstory and just look at the awful Shadow video game where he became a cringe induced anti hero with guns. |
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db999
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You're not remembering wrong at the time those games were being released in the late 2000s, early 2010s, that was the prevailing sentiment about Shadow. While fans at the time were pretty dissatisfied with Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Sonic 06, the fandom started to critically reappraise those games after the 2010s gave us nothing good other than Generations. There was the disappointing Sonic Episode 4, Lost Worlds, and the critically panned Boom games and Sonic Forces. Since those games were so awful fans started to see those mid late 2000s games as better in comparison, and now those games are nostalgic. So that’s probably why fans are now amenable to Shadow. Since the early 2010s him having a motorcycle and guns became a meme, so now it’s a funny nostalgic memory that everyone looks back on fondly even if the game wasn't all that great and people felt it was embarassingly edgy at the time |
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Juno016
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Alternatively, I don't think anyone disliked Shadow in Adventure 2, and his return in Heroes more or less sparked questions rather than criticism. Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) was easy to criticize with how overly edgy and confusing it was, and easy to meme because of the guns and swearing, but I also don't remember anyone disliking Shadow as a character over it. I think it existed because of Shadow being the center of so much excitement and speculation online. Sonic '06 was obviously disliked, but I remember most people at the time saying Shadow was potentially the best written character in the game's story.
Beyond that, I think some people who grew up with these games the way some of us did with the Genesis games enjoyed them a lot, regardless of their flaws. Sonic '06 also got fanfare because people enjoyed raging over it as a glitchy mess on stream, so that contributed to softening its image. And if nothing else, Shadow got to have a bunch of iconic vocal songs that people remember fondly, so that certainly helped his image. Personally, I think I'll enjoy the film, even if I don't find it a masterpiece among the Sonic franchise's best entries. I just like to have fun, and I like Sonic. I'll probably wait for a collection of the movies when they end... assuming they end. |
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Kicksville
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Something can receive widespread derision and still be incredibly popular.
Not a surprising statement, but to go further, being a constant punching bag in certain corners can serve to obfuscate the voices of the people behind that popularity.
Admittedly, I find these sorts of narratives frustrating, because I bought into them for a time. I enjoyed what I played of Shadow the Hedgehog when it was new (despite being the bad PS2 port). I was on board from the first image of him on a motorcycle with a gun. But I took everyone's word for it that the game wasn't good and didn't revisit it. When I finally did on Xbox, I loved it so much I'd legit call it one of my favorite games (I think it's the best of the Adventure style games, believe it or not). And it wasn't driven just in reaction to the so-called "awful" games - Lost World feels like it got thrown in the "bad" bin by default simply because it was a Wii U exclusive for ages and Rise of Lyric overshadowed it. It's quite good! And I like Sonic Forces. I come back to it sometimes. But the way Sonic talk classically went on the internet, once the latest Sonic Bad narrative hooked in, you couldn't talk about that anywhere without 50 trolls popping out to make sure you never engage again. It's no wonder an outsider would think everyone hates Shadow. Me, I am enjoying Shadow the Hedgehog getting fully, unequivocally, widely recognized for being awesome. |
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Arxana
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[quote="Top Gun•]I'm kind of surprised by statements like this, along with the general excitement over his character being included. At least from an outsider's perspective, I remember him being an object of pretty widespread ridicule back in the early and mid-2000s after he was introduced. He felt like the living embodiment of the angry edgelord stereotype from that time, and that was only multiplied by his stand-alone outing: "Hey, what if we gave him A GUN?" (For my part I played and loved the Genesis titles, but I have no personal experience with any of Sonic's 3D outings where plot became a big factor.) Granted this was half a lifetime ago, so maybe the discourse has changed since then, but my initial reaction to seeing Shadow announced for this movie was "Wait...people want to remember Shadow?"[/quote]
You weren’t in the demographic that Shadow appealed to at the time. When he was first introduced, yes, the Sonic fandom that had grown up with the original Genesis games found him too edgy to take seriously. But younger kids who got into the series through Shadow’s games loved him and thought he was cool. |
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MFrontier
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Can't wait to see the film!
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