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Dr. Wily
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The review says it's streaming on Crunchyroll but I think it should be noted that at least for now, it is also on Netflix (at least in the US).
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Fluwm
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Well, it's certainly off to a stronger start than either GT or Super, but a far cry from the bang that opened up Z. Two episodes in, and all they've really done is establish the premise. I have a feeling this isn't a story arc that'll be wrapped up any time soon. But what is Dragon Ball in anime form if not an exercise in stretching a thin story as far as it can possibly go?
I do find the character designs interesting. They're very different from how Toriyama used to draw these characters, when they were that young -- Krillin and Goku were both, originally, a bit more pear-shaped -- and they feature the same "noodle arms" that looked so badly out-of-place in some of the Super designs (notably the new saiyans). They fit much better on children, though the end result kind of makes my brain interpret them less as "child characters" and more as just "super-deformed adult characters." The little power-pole sequence with Goku in episode 2 was pretty promising. I wonder if it ever occurred to Toriyama to redesign Goku like this back in the 80s? If it had, it's very possible Goku might've never grown up in the first place, and kept Conan company. |
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Matros
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That's a weird complaint. Toriyama and the script writers should be commended for the tight writing so far. They aren't rushing the story so that they can get to the big set pieces and action as soon as possible. They're letting the characters get used to their new bodies, trying to figure out what happened and what needs to be done. The breakneck speed of modern shonen made people impatient in regards to slow burn stories. |
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Fluwm
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As someone who doesn't watch a lot of shounen stuff, I'd probably reframe that to say that, I suspect, the people who do watch a lot of shounen anime are accustomed to much slower-paced narratives. Personally, I'm a big fan of economical storytelling -- and far from being a "weird complaint," Dragon Ball is pretty (in)famous -- and has been for quite a while -- for its lethargic pacing.
I'd also generally like to caution against interpreting (very) mild criticism as some kind of indictment. My intended point was simply that it's far too early to make any sorts of judgement about this story: it's barely even begun. |
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YagamiBlackstone255
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I really have to agree, I haven't really enjoyed these episodes and I am trying to not be a hater or unfair, so I am so glad some episode have the sense to not be gushy right out of the gate. |
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Shay Guy
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Wasn't the rule that Kami's Dragon Balls could grant one wish, Guru's could grant three but only resurrecting one person at a time, and Dende split the difference by making his so Shenron could grant two wishes with a middle ground in restrictions?
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Fluwm
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I think so, but the rules about how the dragon balls work have changed so often that it's hard to keep track. I also remember there being some issue with one of the sets of dragon balls' ability to revive individuals vs. multiple people at once. It's possible the deal was that reviving multiple people counted as two wishes? Well, regardless, if it's an inconsistency/retcon, it'd just be one more added to the pile (like everything from the last thread re: Demon Realm). Dragon Ball has never taken its setting very seriously. |
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MFrontier
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Something I really appreciate about Daima, other than the great animation, is that even without knowing how heavily involved Akira Toriyama was in the production...you can still feel very bit of his influence in the story, characters, and plot.
It really feels like a return to form to the shows' roots from the character designs, comedy, and even de-aging the cast. Of course there's also some animation flexing like with the re-animated Buu Saga bits and Goku vs Vegeta, but overall it just feels true to Toriyama's vision in a meaningful way. I also love how the OP is basically just advertising the entire show. |
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Araki
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There's no inconsistency regarding Shenron. Dende upgraded him to grant three wishes, or two if one of them was very demanding. Here he explains why he would just fulfill one, which it not only a funny moment but also, intentionally or not, explains what happened at the end of Broly, when he goes away after one regular wish. I don't know is that's the case here, but it's well known that many supposed inconsistencies are caused by old dubs, especially the english ones, infamous for many script changes. Also, what exactly was retconned about the Demon Realm? The most information we got out of it earlier was in one of the Daizenshuu books, back in the 90s, revealing it was split in different dimensions and Dabura ruled it all - which certainly fits with the current information we have. |
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jr240483
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however, it is more or less a given that the english dub for this new dragonball series will be first premiered on Toonami/Adult Swim just like with dragonball super! i mean hell, DBS is still showing on Adult Swim on Demand alongside Attack on Titan right now so ita more or less a given that Daima will have its eng dub shown on AS first. though the real curiousity is who will be going young goku for the dub? its more or less a given that the female VA that did young goku and gohan during the funimation days have long since retired so its gonna be interesting on which VA will get the role. i for one would not be surprised if its miss colleen. especially now that one piece is in indefinate hiatus until spring 2025! |
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Fluwm
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There's still an inconsistency here: as you, yourself, noted with the reference to Broly, the new Shenron's number of wishes is not consistent.
I went into it a bit more in Daima talkback last week, but basically... the Demon Realm was introduced all the way back in Dragon Ball, in a filler episode. It's also, arguably, the same place as Hell (or HFIL), which likewise is found only in filler episodes of Dragon Ball Z (as well as several movies, and GT). In terms of the manga, there's certainly no retconning going on, since we didn't get any real details about it, but that's not true of the anime. The big retcon in Daima would be the idea that there are *multiple* demon realms. As well as the Namekians' origin. And that the kais are apparently demons, too, which... I assume makes them different from the "angels" (like Whis) introduced in Super? (Probably worth pointing out before this conversation goes any further that "retconning" isn't a negative thing any more than it is a positive thing, it's just a thing, and a thing Dragon Ball's done quite a bit of over the years. As for what the Daizenshuu says, I've not read it, but I'll take your word for what it says... in which case, no, it doesn't quite fit with what's established in Daima, as Glorio is the service of a different Demon King, or so he claims, implying that each dimension/universe's version of the Demon Realm has its own ruler. |
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Stelman257
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Daaaang this reviewer has some pretty harsh things to say about Super! I definitely get it, I have a friend who is a Gohan and Saiyan to Cell Games arc enjoyer and he just absolutely hated everything about the DB Super anime, but I feel like it's so hard to deny how influential and important that anime was in introducing a whole new generation of kids and anime fans into Dragon Ball. I mean come on, the Jiren stuff alone had even the most casual anime fan tuning in just to see what all the fuss was about. And me personally I'm a big Hit and Zamasu enjoyer so I've got a softer spot for Super than most. Calling it fanfiction in 2024 is wild. Also, praise was given, but yeah I want to reiterate that Battle of Gods, Broly and Superhero movies I feel like are some of the best stuff that's come out of Dragonball. So I get the franchise fatigue but I feel like it's been way more on the positive than the negative side for sure. As for DAIMA maaaan... I just don't know. I was doomed a little already since I can't stand kid Goku again, or the idea of lame kid versions of the main characters in a show set between Buu and Super period (only so much of note can happen). Maybe I'm just being too uptight but it feels like such a lame move to make after Superhero had so many cool progressions for the world and characters, while also still managing to maintain the humourous spirit and whimsey from Dragonball. |
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Treecko Tempo
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We actually found this out this week. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-10-17/dragon-ball-daima-anime-confirms-stephanie-nadolny-return-as-young-goku-in-english-aaron-dismuke-as-/.216856 |
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jdnation
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So far, so good. I don't mind the pacing as we are getting a lot of emphasis on world building for this new demon realm, new kais, and that, alongside the nameks, they originate from there.
The animation and characters are great. I'm also leary of a long term return to kid goku and everyone else, but so far it's been working out in terms of comedy. I think there will be some balance where they'll figure out a way to temporarily become their SSJ adult selves to give us some epic fight scenes. So we may get the best of both worlds. |
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Greed1914
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That is kind of where I'm at with it. I'll certainly keep watching, and it's been good so far, but my reaction to any sort of anime spinoff tends to be hampered by the existence of source material that hasn't been animated. A new project probably feels more special for the 40th anniversary, but I guess I would have chosen to continue Super. I do love that a certain amount of how the wishes work comes down to Shenron's personal choices. He has always had a bit of an attitude about how the wishes are used, and Super Hero had him slip Piccolo a little extra that he didn't request. |
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