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BlueOla
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Can we stop pedalling this idea that Free! became a TV anime because of the short PV that came out a few months earlier? First of all it's impossible to make an anime that quickly and second of all, I don't think yelling loud enough is enough to get a studio to make you an anime. It was both an animation showcase and the first PV for Free!, not some beginning of a kick-starter.
I also find the lack of the summary for the movie High Speed! Free! Starting Days a problem because THIS is the part of the anime that will really matter for Dive to the Future, I mean half the characters in the current cast come from Starting Days and I'm sure people who missed it will he scratching their head at all these "new" characters that we actually already know. I know the movie was never legally released in the US, but that's exactly why a detailed synopsis would be really appreciated - then the fans who don't want to pirate can get the full story (and also new fans to the series). Otherwise they'll just struggle with all these new characters who have old relationships they know nothing about. Free Starting Days was legally released in Japan and Germany so you can just say that's where you got a legal copy from if anyone asks. But a Starting Days synopsis is necessary. |
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kogamisdad
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Yeah, Starting Days is absolutely necessary and should have been included. A large majority of the first episode is referencing things that happen in that movie that you wouldn't get if you haven't seen it, and I assume it's going to get even worse as it goes on with more of those guys showing up and delving into Ikuya. Acting like it doesn't exist is a huge detriment. I've already seen so many people thinking these characters were only just introduced this episode, wondering what was going on and being completely confused by not knowing High Speed! exists. (Heck, the Timeless Medley movies are much more important than just the "recap" movies they're written off as. New characters are even first introduced in those that are important now!)
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Mr. Nescio
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ultimatemegax
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Edit: The original story has been corrected to remove the incorrect assumptions provided below thanks to Zac. The history section no longer applies.
This is objectively false. The commercial first aired during episode 9 of Tamako Market, effectively at around 00:45 on March 8, 2013 (JST). The first season of the series itself debuted at 00:30 on July 5, 2013 (JST). There is no way that a full-length production could rush from commercial to planning to production in under 4 months. It cannot happen. Beyond that, this post ignores many other important aspects of the franchise including the original novel the series was based from (High Speed!), its sequel, and the movie by the same name. The series was made to promote the novel as former director Hiroko Utsumi stated
Utsumi then drafted a project proposal back in 2011 that detailed her original plot for the series:
Furthermore, the production history from Animation Do's own "Free! series creation notebook volume 1" doesn't list anything to do with international appeal, petitions, or anything similar with that.
The commercial you praised as the start of the entire project was merely one early step in the designing process, but never intended as anything other than adjustments for designs and such. (from the same production history)
Therefore, your sentence in the second paragraph, "While some people believe the TV spot was a calculated marketing move to build hype for a series they were planning on making anyway, it still never would have happened without an enthusiastic and vocal fan reaction," is not only false, but misleads the international community into believing that their response was the reason why it was made. I hope that corrections can be made to this article before many use it as an incorrect source for the creation of Free! - Iwatobi Swim Club. Additionally, a core point of this upcoming season will be the additional characters first introduced in High Speed!, Asahi and Ikuya, which are never mentioned in this article, yet play an important role in the very first episode in the new season. Perhaps additional research and reporting on them should be included in a post entitled "Everything you need to know" for the new season. |
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Zac
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Hi, I edited this piece - apologies for the error, I wasn't personally familiar with the production history of Free!. I've edited the piece to remove all speculation.
Re: High Speed!, the film isn't available in English yet and the article was working with official sources only. We'll update this piece once Funimation releases it. I've added reference to the film in the intro, changed the title so the scope of the article is clearer and reworked the headers. Thanks for all your feedback, and again my apologies for the error. Last edited by Zac on Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jyuchii
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I still think it's very important to note this movie though as it introduces characters that are very important in season 3 and many people would be confused if they jumped into season 3 without seeing High Speed. I know you're looking for official english resources, I know, but High Speed is immensely crucial if you want to understand the new characters and references in season 3. There are lots of people who are watching season 3 without knowing high speed even exists, so you could at least mention it or summarize it. |
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kogamisdad
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Agreed, something titled "Everything you need to know to catch up" leaving out the most important thing you actually need to know about to catch up is a pretty big issue. At least a passing reference to it at the bare minimum should have been made. (The fact that Funimation slipped up so bad that it's not available at all yet makes it even more important that it gets mentioned/summarized here for those who haven't seen it.)
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jedijenchan
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I think this is the right timeline?
The original light novel High Speed! was entered into a Kyoto Animation Award contest in 2011 and won honorable mention. It was published by Kyoto Animation on 7/8/2013, followed by a second one in 7/14/2014. Kyoto Animation: Suiei-hen: March 7, 2013 An Internet Radio show, Iwatobi Channel started broadcasting on June 17, 2013 Free! - Iwatobi Swim Club (TV Anime Season 1) 2013-07-03 There were two drama CD's released between 8/21/2013 and 9/25/2013 titled Iwatobi High School Swimming Club Activity Journal. Free! Eternal Summer (TV Anime Season two, sequel to season one) 2014-07-02 High Speed! -Free! Starting Days- (movie) (prequel) 2015-12-05 Free! -Timeless Medley- Kizuna (movie) (remix) 2017-04-22 Free! -Timeless Medley- Yakusoku (movie) (remix) 2017-07-01 Free! -Take Your Marks- (movie) (sequel to Season 2) 2017-10-28 Free! -Dive to the Future- (TV)(2018) (sequel to Free! -Take Your Marks- film) Last edited by jedijenchan on Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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BlueOla
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You have Japanese speakers on your team - just ask them for help? That's still an official source, I think High Speed is even on Japanese Netflix. And it's really necessary for this season, especially that many fans missed it because it hasn't been released in the US in the 3 years that it existed lol (Great job, Funimation! /s). Movies generally get less attention than TV series but in this case it can't just be skipped. |
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rahzel rose
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There are couple issues with the review for Take Your Marks.
I think there's part of the sentence missing in that bit about Kisumi. Also the silver-haired boy is not Haru's new neighbor, he's the person who just moved out of the apartment Haru is moving into.
It's Rin's misunderstanding first when he catches a glimpse of Gou and Momo together at a restaurant (while they're waiting for Nagisa and Rei), although Gou trying to dodge Rin's questions don't help the situation. Also, Momo challenges Rin, not the other way around. |
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quaton
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The fact that nobody at Funimation thought that the High Speed! movie was important enough to license in the almost three(!!!) years of its existence tells me that they're run by incompetent and superficial people.
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BlueOla
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Oh, I see they changed the title since it didn't actually cover "Everything You Need to Know About Free!"
What a cop-out, considering that this guide could have actually helped fans. Now it'll just add to the confusion since many people still don't know about Starting Days. |
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jedijenchan
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Writers are human and make mistakes from time to time...
I agree that High Speed! Free Starting days is essential watching to this franchise to tie everything together after Season 2, really. I just don't understand what the harm is in just mentioning the actual timeline. I mean, sure many of those have not been officially released yet in many regions other than Japan, but they need to be included so that everything ties together. |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Hi, I wrote the article.
First of all, I want to apologize for the errors I made in the timeline. I was in the middle of multiple major life changes when all that was going on, so I wasn't actively involved in anime fandom at the time. When researching the article, I had overworked myself and either misread something in my research or failed to properly vet my sources. Mea culpa. I do want to go more in-depth about why I didn't talk about High Speed. I wrote the article before the first episode of Dive to the Future came out. I only watch legally sourced anime, so I wasn't familiar with who Asahi was other than that he made a cameo in Take Your Marks. I knew some of the characters who appeared briefly in the movie were from the prequel, but I didn't know who or what role they would come to play. I had no way of knowing that familiarity with Haru's past relationship would be so essential to understanding Dive to the Future and thus made the decision not to include it when I would essentially be just parroting the wiki summary. I made the best decision I could with the knowledge I had; if I had known that their backstory were so pivotal to the new series, I probably would have handled it differently. |
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sailorstarsun
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And he's not just a person who may become important - he's Haru and Makoto's senpai from High Speed!. Another one of those characters who should be known to understand Dive to the Future, thus, as others have said, warranting a real inclusion of the prequel movie in this article. |
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