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Lemonchest
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I'm still waiting for the day they make a mech show where the pilot powers up by fudging his (or her) gunpla. I imagine more of the audience could relate.
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Agent355
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The Parasites in Darling in the Franxx are in a society akin to many real life traditional and/or religious ones: sex, or rather, their obvious metaphor for sex, is perfunctory and only for society's benefit. Pleasure and lust are not discussed at all. The only thing the kids have to do is connect to the partner authority figures have designated for them. For the girls this means holding back their emotions--Kokoro told Miku not to fight with her partner because it would affect their connection; Ichigo puts a lot of pressure on herself to restrain her emotions around her crush Hiro and her disappointment that he can't be her partner. Who *you* want as your partner doesn't matter, after all.
Boys are told that their performance is the only thing that matters, which naturally makes them competitive about it, and destroys Hiro's self esteem because, in his society's view, his inability to perform makes him worthless. In walks 02 who seems to have obvious lust, desire and association between this piloting activity and pleasure. She insists on choosing her own partner, but is denied--so far. She is going to shake up these kids and potentially start a revolt against the adults that have been keeping them all repressed their whole lives. As an aside, as in the very real societies in which sex is prescribed as perfunctory to benefit the community as strictly an act of procreation, the possibility of same sex couples is completely ignored (and/or discouraged and/or seen as "sinful") because what's the point of non-procreative sex? Just like all the other aspects of how the authorities at large are forcing sex-like activities on the kids in the show to benefit their society, I expect that could probably be challenged in some way during the course of the show. |
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TarsTarkas
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I don't know the origin of the word, but it sounds like some academic term. The only reason it has been bandied about lately, is it is the newest ammo in the PC arsenal. There is no other reason to use it in anime circles. |
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AksaraKishou
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To be fair, Im@s has some of the best animation out there when it comes to these idol animes. |
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I can think of one: to describe things in anime that are heteronormative. |
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ScruffyKiwi
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Trigger not being on the production comittee means nothing, apart from the fact they are not the ones putting up the money. You should learn what a production comittee actually is before making idiotic comments like these. |
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TasteyCookie
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The community here at ANN is definitely not that. The culture that has cultivated in these forums tends to be if you have a show that has male targeted fan-service, it is trash and you get attacked for liking it. It's apparently impossible to have a show with fan-service and also be well-written, or acceptable entertainment. If I were to tell people on here that Killing Bites for example is a genuinely good show (just throwing out an example, not my actual thoughts), you better believe they would be all up in arms. Other brands of fan-service is A-OK within this community, such as homosexual fan-service or female targeted fan-service (like Yuri on Ice), but goddamn if it contains erotically framed females for males, it is just degenerate lowest common denominator entertainment. It gets old pretty quickly. Franxxly (love this pun lol) all of the criticism for this show boils down to 2 points: 1: The show is not EVA and EVA is always the best. 2: This show has fan-service. |
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DeTroyes
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Yeah, but there comes a point where having to include every possible different viewpoint will get in the way of the story you're trying to tell. There is such a thing as being too detailed, and attempting to throw everything in usually gets in the way of your narrative. At some point you have to choose what parts are important and what are superfluous. You can maybe squeeze some of the superfluous parts in to fill background or establish atmosphere, but generally speaking if its not part of the overall story you're probably better off without it, for story flow purposes if for no other reason. This is especially true for television productions, where time limits are absolute. Ideally, it would be nice if every television series touched upon some subject you are interested in. But as a practical matter, its not possible. |
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This is a pretty baffling comment because the Killing Bites example is so easily demonstrable as false by looking at the Killing Bites talkback thread. |
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zrnzle500
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@Ashabel While you are correct that A-1 has produced the episodes thus far, Trigger will be producing some of the episodes (don't know which ones yet) so they are involved beyond just Imaishi's (and some of their animators') contributions, or at least will be. On the matter of not being on the production committee, there are a number of examples of studios not being in the production committee, so Trigger's lack of presence there is not necessarily indicative that they are not involved in the production. Though the director and lead writers are not affiliated with Trigger so in that sense, Trigger is not in the driver's seat so to speak, @Lemonchest You'd be surprised how many people were attracted by Nishigori's presence (and the other staff he brings with him). His work on the 2011 Idolm@ster series is well regarded among the sakuga community and critics like Nick Creamer on this site. Personally, I'd say Nishigori directing was a bigger draw than Trigger, though he was far from the only factor. At the very least I'm with Nick and Micchy on hoping 02 stays domme. I'm not touching anything else here. |
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Lemonchest
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This thread (& most like it) tends to be the opposite, but whatever works for you. Now where I'd agree there is a issue is that this discussion is ultimately just a lot of "we don't know what will happen yet, but we're talking about it anyway." But that's the nature of the beast with discussing simulcast anime, sadly - a whole lot of conjecture & theorizing with nothing to show for it until the it's over, by which time nobody cares. |
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Simplo
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Most surveys indicate that the amount of not-hetero people are between 3-4%. There are twelve (don't lynch me if I missed someone) teens in the show (Naomi included). That means that even one queer character would be a statistical over-representation. Staffers are acting like non-hetero people are a significant part of population but in reality, its only one out of ~30 people.
It seems like some people would like shows to be a sort of twisted theme park with must-includes like queer couple, a Mary Sue etc. making the cast into a ''majority made of minorities'' but that is not real life. That is forced design and it triggers sort of uncanny valley effect (at least for me). |
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Lemonchest
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Sure & to be fair to him he worked on several Gainax shows - probably why he was able to get Imaishi et al on board to begin with. But would peoples first response to guys flying mechs by fondling girls asses have still been "what does it all mean?" instead of "that's my fetish!" if Trigger's name hadn't become so firmly attached to it? I don't think so. |
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zrnzle500
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Let me amend my earlier statement to point out that I find the idea that critics using the term heteronormative intended to use the term to attack or insult the show or its audience unconvincing, as the reviewers who actually used the word heteronormative in the preview guide were also the ones who gave the show the highest scores among the reviewers (both 4.5 of 5, and another who mentioned such concerns but didn't use the term also gave it a 4 out of 5).
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ShatteredWorld
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I don't have much of a dog in this fight, but isn't that the point? Yes, LGBTQ+/black/hispanic people in real life aren't majority factors in a lot of Western/Eastern countries, but the fact that the medium of anime is fictional brings about the idea that those groups of people can see themselves represented in shows and works, unbounded by the realism of real life. We're talking about a mecha anime that presents itself with not-so-subverted themes of sex and gender roles in society. Is it really that far-fetched, in an already fictional world, to want or have representation of groups that aren't just heteronormative? |
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