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BluePikmin11
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With Amazon's new anime licenses like Kokkoku, I think are still willing to compete with other anime subscription services.
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portgas
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I do happened to know that Amazon channel MHz is run by Amazon. Amazon does run it's own channels although you can access some of these services through their own app. But the subscriptions are separate. I had a problem accessing Detective Montalbano (of course) on Amazon channel MHz. I emailed MHZ to let them know and they promptly replied Amazon handles MHz on their channel. The regular MHz app has another service for its app streaming. MHz did notify Amazon of the problem and Montalbano was back in a few hours. MHz may have the content but Amazon subcontracts and is responsible for its stream. Amazon also let me know that they knew I could not access a show on Drama Fever. As compensation they sent me a $1 credit. That's amazon not DF. Hulu, as well as Netflix, may have the Acorn shows but the majority of MHz shows are exclusive to them unless you want to pay per episode. I only saw one that had Hulu as an option. I've decided to get rid of Acorn since their catalog hasn't been changing much. And it should be easy, it just one click at Amazon. |
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Agent355
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But MHz Networks is separate from Amazon:
With Anime Strike, Amazon directly licensed some of their anime content for streaming from Japanese networks. Amazon is running a channel for shows MHz Networks has licensed, not licensing foreign shows directly, so it's different in that way. As far as I know, MHz Networks' MHz Choice streaming service and app has the same programming available, whereas no one else has Amazon's Noitamina or Animeism shows. |
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portgas
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I'm not disagreeing with that. In fact, MHz networks also has a cable network in the DC area. But Amazon is responsible for the MHz streaming on their channel not MHz networks. I never said Amazon was the original licensor of the content. The only Amazon channels where content was "curated" by them that I know of were Strike and Heera. Both are gone. (Amazon channels has a new Bollywood channel initiated in the last few weeks.) Somebody over on the CR forums had suggested half jokingly that CR rent some of the servers at Amazon. (Every night is now Saturday night, sadly. I was really shocked last night. Very bad.) The Amazon control setup in addition to the prime fee and the subscription fee on top of that really make it impossible. |
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NefCanuck
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The bigger problem in Canada was the fact that it wasn’t as easy to watch Amazon titles of any type unless you were willing to watch on the PC. Amazon has been really bad about giving Canadians the same types of device access that the US has. The quality issues of the subs on their titles were a universal problem though (talking to an Amazon CSR about subtitle issues in “My Girlfriend is Shobitch” was a real eye opener (for the CSR ) NefCanuck |
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Nate148
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most of the amazon strike content that was not sentai would fall under AoA or ponycan so likey they will fill in the rest for BD's
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leafy sea dragon
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The way I see it, Amazon seemed to think that anime viewers were exactly the same as the highbrow cinematophiles or other high-end, high-income media consumers, who would gladly pay the extra paywall to get what they want. (Technically, stuff like paid DLC would be like double paywalls too, and I've been in hobbies aimed at the affluent that have triple and quadruple paywalls, and the most they seem to care about is that they now have items in their personal basement bar rooms their spouses might not like.)
That would've been a great idea, but this wouldn't have been something the Amazon people would've thought of. From what I'm seeing on here and other anime-centric sites, anime viewers/manga readers are one of the minority of groups of people in the west without a large amount of Amazon Prime subscribers, or buying from Amazon in general. This is an attribute that'd be difficult to see from Amazon's perspective, as they'd mainly look at Amazon Prime subscriptions (and non-Prime buyers) and might be too dominant of a force on the Internet to even factor in the people outside of its current buyership. The fact that there is so much mention of a "double paywall" as a reason for not subscribing to Anime Strike shows how few anime fans actually subscribe to Amazon Prime. I'm in an Amazon Prime household, so to me it would've been more like a single paywall as Amazon Prime fees are pretty much part of the househld's monthly bills like Internet, phone, and electricity.
Well, Netflix has its own audience, one that it knows very well--that is, the binge-watcher who will wait until a season ends before watching it all at once or over a few days. The problem is that Netflix's people thought anime viewers would be like their normal Netflix viewers.
That was a hunch that I had too, and something I've never been sure about between that or the (mistaken) thought that most anime fans already subscribe to Amazon Prime and them considering the second paywall to not be that big of a deal.
On the other hand, Netflix's decisions are pointing towards doing exactly that, both in how Netflix pays for some of these anime directly and how whoever picks shows does it based on "Would someone who isn't a fan of anime want to see this?"
I feel like eventually, these talks of no DVR, no streaming services, and having to actually wait for things to be released and going to to the store to buy it legit or waiting all night to torrent one episode will turn into one of those "Back in my days..." monologues.
Hmm. I wouldn't mind that, as that's how my TV's closed captioning works, and I'm pretty used to that.
Well, that also depends on the franchise. Coming to mind several years ago was anything related to Evangelion, in which Geneon refused to budge for the price to western rights, making no compromises, until the studio started feeling financial distress and the licensors got desperate to get any money they could.
Do you really think sports fans are more chill than anime fans? Sports fans are the ones responsible for the legendary Heidi debacle, actually physically gather together in public places every week, and rage at exclusivity deals to an extent previously seen only with New Coke. Sports fans are the one group of fans most infamous for rowdy, angry riots, which is true everywhere in the world. (I don't know quite as much about horror fans, though I do know they get upset quite a bunch too, albeit due to a horror fan's preferences being quite far removed from the mainstream so they're used to it.) |
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Gatherum
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The article is writ as if Amazon have utterly abandoned this market, and it's far from the truth. They've just removed the double pay wall, and are offering their properties, old and new--to include some from the current season--on good ol' Amazon Prime.
Amazon's anime library isn't particularly robust, but depending on who you are, the subscription might well be the best deal on the market, over-all. If you're a student, it is objectively the best. |
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yuna49
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They may not have abandoned the market, but they're not making it easy to find their new offerings. I went looking for Kokkoku this afternoon. A search via the Roku app turned up nothing by that name, nor does it appear using the PS3 app. I did find it via the web interface, but of course, I couldn't watch it in Chromium on Linux. Google Chrome is the only browser that works on Linux for Amazon video.
With Strike, everything was in one place. Now I have to search through reams of kids shows to find the occasional Animeism or Noitamina offering. |
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Zin5ki
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That's unfortunate to hear, though hardly surprising. Is this a Flash issue, or something more substantial? I take it that the likes of Firefox and Midori would also be affected. (Still, at least it amounts to yet another reason not to buy one of their subscriptions.) |
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yuna49
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I think it has to do with DRM though I'm not sure. Prime works fine in Google Chrome on Linux, but I try to use open-source browsers like Firefox and Chromium whenever possible. There are also apps for Prime for all platforms I use including Roku, PS3, and Android. As I said, I was surprised that I couldn't find Kokkoku on the Roku or PS3, but maybe that has changed? I haven't checked again. No Chromecast support either since Amazon wants you to buy a FireTV. |
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