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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:29 pm
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@belvadeer If it's anime in style, it's anime in general. Also seriously? Mega Man 8? I'd think that would be in a vault at Capcom HQ, than well, at a convention swap meet box. Then again, I've seen online auctions for Capcom staff exclusive merchandise like a Resident Evil 2 G Creature eyeball keychain. Still, that's a surprising bit of info there.
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TsukasaHiiragi
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:50 pm
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Swissman wrote: |
Quote: | The Diet Members for Manga, Anime, and Games suprapartisan lawmaker group announced last Friday that it plans to submit a bill when the Japanese Diet convenes on January 22 that aims to establish a "Media Arts National Center" that will be tasked with collecting original manga materials and anime cels for preservation. |
This is good....
Quote: | The bill aims to prevent the acquisition of cels and manga material by foreign collectors and minimize the foreign dissemination of the materials. |
And this is f*******g horrible. As a collector of old school anime merchandise, I hate the idea of not being able to buy nice cels and valuable manga materials in specialist stores like Mandarake or online anymore, just because some bigot thinks they need to be out of foreigners' hands. Well, too bad, but us foreign fans have the exact same right to collect anything valuable to us for whatever reason. Hopefully this bill never passes. |
^ This 100% - We all know, a few countries there is a significant amount of people who despise or distrust foreigners, Japan is one of those countries unfortunately - whilst yes, a good portion welcome them for tourism purposes, but there are a good amount who simply don't want anything to do with them, some establishments even going as far as not allowing business with gaijin - known problem and the diet started to pass laws to cube the rampant racism.
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:54 pm
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MarshalBanana wrote: | As I said I do not think it is ideal, but at least they can retain whatever important cels are left there. |
They aren't trying to ban the sale of anime cels they are only trying to prevent them from getting sold to foreigners. That will simply lower their sales value meaning more anime cels would be sold for several dollars at Tokyo anime stores. Also it is horrible marketing to suggest that foreigners are good enough to buy electronics but not good enough to buy art.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:00 pm
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer wrote: | Also seriously? Mega Man 8? I'd think that would be in a vault at Capcom HQ, than well, at a convention swap meet box. Then again, I've seen online auctions for Capcom staff exclusive merchandise like a Resident Evil 2 G Creature eyeball keychain. Still, that's a surprising bit of info there. |
I could link you the person who bought them if you're interested. They made no secrets about acquiring them at all and even sold the cels off to some lucky buyers.
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configspace
Joined: 16 Aug 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:15 pm
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Might as well name this the "All Your Cels Belong To Us" bill
Chrono1000 wrote: |
MarshalBanana wrote: | As I said I do not think it is ideal, but at least they can retain whatever important cels are left there. |
They aren't trying to ban the sale of anime cels they are only trying to prevent them from getting sold to foreigners. That will simply lower their sales value meaning more anime cels would be sold for several dollars at Tokyo anime stores. Also it is horrible marketing to suggest that foreigners are good enough to buy electronics but not good enough to buy art. |
Well it's a partial ban, a ban on at least half the market. If it passes, it'll be one of the non-exportable items out of Japan (although I'm sure they'll be easy enough to smuggle out). Plus since each cel is unique, that also means items obtained by the gov are taken permanently off the market. I think all but the most ancient anime cels still have market value and more significantly, liquidity among collectors that treating them as relics for preservation does a disservice.
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Mr. sickVisionz
Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:06 pm
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I think preserving anime is a good thing, but the xenophobic aspects of this don't rub me the right way. I'm sure there are some rich foreigners out there trying to amass massive archives for either personal fun or for profit. I'm sure there are situations where this stuff was legit stolen from a studio who had every intention of retaining/preserving it. However, I think the bulk of this is just avid fans obtaining materials that were traditionally thrown in the trash can and seem as having no value whatsoever by the studios.
The spin of vile foreigners robbing Japan of it's culture is kinda ridiculous.
Quote: | Current facilities are currently constrained by copyright laws that prevent the digitization of cells for preservation |
At first that seemed odd to me, but I guess it's no different than someone walking into a US video equipment and asking if someone can upscale their copy of Batman on VHS. That video store will probably be a little hesitant. Having said, you can probably go to Kinkos and nobody will refuse to scan your copy of X-Men #1 and print it to a poster board for you.
Quote: | I'm not familiar with Japanese copyright law to really have a stance on this.
Yukio Hatayama of the then-opposition Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) criticized the project as a "national manga café" and an "enormous waste." |
This would probably be my stance if I was a natural born Japanese citizen (like how I am for America). We already have one and this really seems like something the studios and art museum curators should be doing themselves. Especially with a ~$100M price tag. I'd rather they loosen copyright rules so that 3rd parties can scan cells and maybe $10M in subsidies for preservation equipment at facilities that already exist.
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:23 pm
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Mr. sickVisionz wrote: | The spin of vile foreigners robbing Japan of it's culture is kinda ridiculous. |
Tell me about it. This is also giving me familiar vibes to the Japanese Sword trade, and no, unlike the kinds of swords you'd see at the mall or online for 100 bucks a pop, I'm talking actual fittings and blades with historic value that are put up for sale on Ebay and go into the thousands. Much unlike anime, making katanas are practically dwindling as a trade in Japan, and plenty of people are happy to sell those when the supply and demand is off the charts, both in short stock and a large market. Anime can take care of itself. What the hell is the cabinet thinking?
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amagee
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:27 pm
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As someone who collects cels, this doesn't much sit well with me though, given the state of political discourse in Japan these days, I can't see it ever happening.
People talk about cels being hidden away in random folks' homes and I do wish that could be alleviated. The problem is that, for most people who collect cels abroad, I doubt their local museums would be willing to accept and display them in their collections; anime is just too much in its infancy in museum circles at the moment.
Personally, I hope that, later in my life, I will be able to donate my items to a museum where they can be preserved and displayed for future generations to enjoy.
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Niello
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:42 pm
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Swissman wrote: | right to collect anything valuable to us for whatever reason. |
Careful there. There's a lot of problems with generalising that kind of statement.
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Cutiebunny
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:25 pm
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No Japan, I’m not giving you my cel and sketch collection. As long as deputy services exist, I’ll keep importing artwork. So unless you’re willing to open up every package leaving Japan, we all know this is going to fail.
It’s this sort of policy that makes people hide their collections. I honestly considered doing it after SakuraCon banned me by copying links from my online gallery and accusing me of selling all the autographs and sketches obtained at their convention(despite the fact that there’s no price list but hey, guess you don’t need to excel in reading comprehension to work at a convention). But, I don’t feel that any convention, corporation or government should have any say as to what and how I choose to display my collection. I put in time and a lot of money into this.
The Japanese government is about 20 years too late to prevent cels from leaving. Where were they when studios like Madhouse were selling off their primo cels to stay afloat? I bought several cels from Madhouse and no one cared as long as the right price was paid. Same with Inuyasha when they were liquidating those. Passing laws to punish foreigners for collecting artwork that you only now recognize as being culturally important is like trying to round up the cows two decades after they left the pen.
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CANimeFan88
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:48 pm
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Personally, I'd like to see a revival in cel animation (even if it's just in the form of animated shorts).
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Cutiebunny
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:22 pm
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amagee wrote: | The problem is that, for most people who collect cels abroad, I doubt their local museums would be willing to accept and display them in their collections; anime is just too much in its infancy in museum circles at the moment. |
It’s starting, though. I have a couple of my Sailor Moon cels on display in a museum in The Netherlands. They contacted me through my gallery. Partially I really wanted to see what stes they would take to preserve them, but so far, I have not been impressed. Museums don’t really know that much about proper cel conservation.
Quote: | Personally, I hope that, later in my life, I will be able to donate my items to a museum where they can be preserved and displayed for future generations to enjoy. |
Same here. It’s why I started collecting in the first place.
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Swissman
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:37 pm
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Niello wrote: |
Swissman wrote: | right to collect anything valuable to us for whatever reason. |
Careful there. There's a lot of problems with generalising that kind of statement. |
In the context of anime and manga, I'm talking of couse about anything valuable within anime and manga. For example, some cels from Studio Ghibli.
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