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INTEREST: Prime Minister Shinzō Abe Supports Loosening Restrictions on Foreigners Working in Japan

A country that sees the ratio of working-age to retired or elderly people fall will stagnate and fail. This is clear in Japan and is also happening in Europe. Strong infusions of immigrants into the United States are key to why it hasn't suffered this fate as severely and have always been its strength.

I'm half Pennsylvania Dutch and a quarter Irish. White as I am now, Benjamin Franklin sneered at my father's people and a whole party, the aptly nick-named Know Nothings, congealed, like leftover bacon fat, against my mother's father's people. Nobody'd bat an eye at us now, but America wasn't always so congenial to my progenitors, yet it wouldn't have as far without them.

Unless the Japanese government can somehow force every Japanese woman into marrying, then having three children, bringing new people into Japan is the only way to revivify the country's economy.

There will probably be problems as the share of these New Japanese rises, but despite what the moral vanity and amoral bigotry of the old dying Japanese will compel them to think, the problems will not be failures of assimilation by the New Japanese, but failures of acceptance by the old.

Like all privileged, favored and pampered peoples, they will assume that they deserve every good thing while blaming others who are different and unfamiliar for anything that goes wrong, because they have no resilience and no have never been held meaningfully accountable.

Japan could prefer slow death in uniformity, which is probably appealing to those who are rather near to death themselves and can see no further, but those are not now so intimate with the grim reaper might ultimately not appreciate their nearsighted, angry efforts.

If human nations can do no better than vicious, angry tribes scrabbling mean and low in the dirt, hating anything than demands, or even just recommends, higher causes or principles of them, then they deserve to die there unloved and resented.

But in all that, what would you suggest should be the alternative? It seems to me the situation is "Bring more people in or the country will die."

A bit exaggerated. They need to get more women to have more kids. Hardly putting a man on the moon. We're talking about a natural biological function that's been the norm for most of human history. You're saying that's so impossible, there's no other way?

Sorbet wrote:

A bit exaggerated. They need to get more women to have more kids. Hardly putting a man on the moon. We're talking about a natural biological function that's been the norm for most of human history. You're saying that's so impossible, there's no other way?

It sounds simple enough on paper, yet here we are, multiple decades after it became a problem and Japan still hasn't rectified it. People aren't having enough babies. And whether or not it seems like something that shouldn't be hard to solve, unless you can convince a lot of single, independent women, that it would be better for them to become wives and have children, an alternative solution is going to be necessary.

leafy sea dragon wrote:

But in all that, what would you suggest should be the alternative? It seems to me the situation is "Bring more people in or the country will die."

I'm not arrogant enough to say I have the magical solution. Russia pays woment to have babies, you could put more funding into reducing infant mortality, advances in robotics, PSAs telling men not to put smartphones in their pocket because it reduces sperm count.

My overarching point tho is that the effects of mass immigration are so unpleasant and even dangerous to a nation (especially one like Japan) that you should avoid it at all costs. It creates more problems than it solves.

relyat08 wrote:

Sorbet wrote: A bit exaggerated. They need to get more women to have more kids. Hardly putting a man on the moon. We're talking about a natural biological function that's been the norm for most of human history. You're saying that's so impossible, there's no other way? It sounds simple enough on paper, yet here we are, multiple decades after it became a problem and Japan still hasn't rectified it. People aren't having enough babies. And whether or not it seems like something that shouldn't be hard to solve, unless you can convince a lot of single, independent women, that it would be better for them to become wives and have children, an alternative solution is going to be necessary.

Japan hasn't rectified it because its complacent and hasn't even tried to get more women to have more babies. I mean they've tried in the same way you try when a stranger asks you for a favor "Yeah I'll get to it if I have time".

They need to try like the lives of their parents depend on it. Like its a national emergency. Like put as much effort into this as the United States put into the Space Race with the Soviets or the Manhattan Project.

But in all that, what would you suggest should be the alternative? It seems to me the situation is "Bring more people in or the country will die."

The way I see it, by the way, is that mass immigration, or even non-mass immigration, will create social disruptions, but any large change will do that. You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

The Japanese Health Ministry under the same Shinzo Abe administration start paying women to have more children, and as a result of that for the first time in more than 30 years Japan saw an increase on it's birth rate in 2015, a small one of 1.42 to 1.46 children per couple, however as I said, in a long-term, if they keep making the reforms and supporting this policy, in some decades, we should be able to see the japanese birth-rate being closed to 2.

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Yeah, sounds like a real hell-hole.

People against immigration are't talking about an economical point of view, they're usually more concerned about crime like all the raping and attacking people like in Cologne. Some Euro countries have even started creating class courses for refugees on how not to rape women, since a lot of their home countries allow that kind of practice and they think they can do it in other countries as well. God knows Japan already has to deal with American soldiers raping their women.

There are a variety of reasons why women quit their jobs in mid-career. But the departure of married women from work is often attributed to the difficulties they face in balancing their jobs and family needs. Many women quit their jobs when they give birth to their first child, and the hurdles they face as they return to work while raising children are compounded by prevalent male-centric practices at many companies such as notoriously long working hours, which force women to make a tough choice between their families and their careers while leaving men little time to share the housework, as well as the chronic shortage of day care services for their children. Employers placing subtle or outright pressure on women to quit or demoting them when they become pregnant and try to take maternity leave is so common that it has led to the coining of the phrase “maternity harassment.”

One of the biggest reasons Japanese women choose to stay home is the lack of child care options. As of the latest count, in April 2015, about 23,000 Japanese children were on waiting lists for day care. Unable to find other options, many parents give up the hunt.

Japanese men do the lowest amount of household work in the developed world, a reflection that the East Asian nation still sees caretaking and household duties as women's domain.

Blood- wrote:

Yeah, sounds like a real hell-hole.

People against immigration are't talking about an economical point of view, they're usually more concerned about crime like all the raping and attacking people like in Cologne. Some Euro countries have even started creating class courses for refugees on how not to rape women, since a lot of their home countries allow that kind of practice and they think they can do it in other countries as well. God knows Japan already has to deal with American soldiers raping their women.