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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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@Kikaioh
Fine I get that you don't like moe/otaku pandering shi*. What about those that do? Are you going to say tough shi*and just get over it? That's a very cynical way of looking at things In my opinion. I'm getting sick and tired of NoA deciding what's okay for me to play. It boggles my mind that this is just an optional feature added into the game. You can play through the entire game with out ever using it. The same goes for killing prostitutes in GTA or Gambling in the Dragon Quest series to get the best weapons available. Hell they took out the Gambling feature in Pokemon because of the "think of the children" outcry in the west. The last game to even have it was Pokemon heart gold/soul silver "Japanese Version". Now keep this mind keep this in mind as well. Say game-freak deiced to ever re-remake red/blue for the 3ds guess what? The Casino bit run by team rocket would have to be cut out completely because it's not longer acceptable in the gaming community. Great now I'm just rambling on like damn fool.. I hate it when my thoughts are so clouded I can not articulate them well so i'm out. |
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leafy sea dragon
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I don't get it. Outside of circles about video games and anime/manga, people are proud to call themselves feminists. What happened?How did the word "feminist" become a dirty word in these groups, and these groups alone?
Something I want to point out is that Undertale, Papers, Please, and This War of Mine have all been on the front page of Steam for at least one week. As far as American indie gaming goes, they're among the highest-profile ones.
Were those old-school strategy RPG fans once large in number? I'm actually wondering about the popularity of Fire Emblem over the years, as there had to have been a large chunk of them when the series first came out to keep going until Awakening.
They ARE getting re-releassed, and to my knowledge, they'll still be there. That aside, Voltorb Flip was a far better mini-game than any of the Game Corners ever provided. |
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Chrysostomus
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Imagine if this was about Nintendo removing the same-sex marriage feature, and I could easily use the "A lot of people don't like same-sex marriage... This was a business decision by Nintendo, this kind of outrage is unwarranted" argument. You would be singing such a different tune if that were the case, even though it could have happened for the exact same reasons. |
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Guile
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I think there's a difference between something that international audiences won't mind and making something for international audiences in mind. Splatoon is kid friendly but still heavily based on Japanese culture and marketing. Marie and Callie are getting their own live concert ala Hatsune Miku, who most Americans still don't get the whole holographic idol thing. I'm not sure how international audiences feel about Marie and Callie in general. They might be seen as too girly.
It's not technically video games but video game websites did report on Cartoon Network censoring an alleged same sex couple in one of their shows. They were indeed upset by it despite usually defending games being censored due to localization. |
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Weazul-chan
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apparently Kotaku lied:
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692499937028874241?s=09 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/114533-fire-emblem-fates-conquest/73207592
I've also seen a post on tumblr stating that someone with a review copy of the game told them it wasn't removed (but wouldn't say any more than that, so it could have been altered a bit but not removed). additionally we have preview footage of the North American release that shows the treehouse with an ! over it, which only happens in the Japanese version when you can do the face petting. that indicates it's probably still there, or at least there in some form. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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@leafy sea dragon
Yeah the original Pokemon games are being re-released around the world digitally, for the twenty year anniversary. What I am talking about is a full blown remake of Red and Green for the 3ds/NX |
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Chrysostomus
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ParaChomp
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Foxaika
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Honestly having never played a Fire Emblem game before Awakening, that was kinda what made me interested. |
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Aura Ichadora
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I admit, I was rather surprised by the censoring in this case, as in reality it's not even THAT sensual. Although if they censored this scene, they're probably going to censor the "neck kissing" scene in the "Keystone Motel" episode that happens between two other Gems. I didn't know it was reported on video game sites, however, so that's a bit of new news to me. ![]() |
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leafy sea dragon
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I suppose. Either way, I'd say the effect is the same: Something put into the game that international audiences won't take offense to means it won't be removed, and the game can be enjoyed intact anywhere in the world. The way I see it, Callie and Marie are a large part of the game, but not the central part, putting them at roughly April O'Neal or Cheetara levels. Boys can put up with girly things in their entertainment, as long as it's not a central thing. There's also the fact that Splatoon managed to get the inversion of the normal audience for shooters: ![]()
Ah, I see. A remake will probably happen eventually, but they've already been remade once.
Do you mean, then, that it's specific to anime, manga, and video games? (I'm not trying to make any snide comments our anything like that, but as someone who hangs around forums about older media, I'm genuinely curious. It feels weird to me to have such different attitudes about feminism at a place like ANN compared to something like IMDb or Tilt Forums.) |
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Torrin
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It's actually pretty simple. Nintendo isn't afraid of a mens right group calling a game sexist and bring negative media attention to it. Feminists for some time now have been attacking and attempting to change/censor video games. Instead of ignoring or not playing something they don't like they attempt to destroy it for others and crush anything that they deem 'offensive'. It doesn't matter what others think. |
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ikillchicken
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That's a question I ask myself a lot. It's sort of a long story but the short-ish version I would say is this: Videogames are a wonderful medium but at the same time, as a very young medium and one marketed at least historically at mostly puberty age boys, videogames sorta became a last refuge for a lot of the really regressive, sexist crap that other mediums have at least started to move away from. At the same time, gaming also appeals most heavily to a certain type of person seeking escapism and power fantasy. There's nothing wrong with that in healthy doses but for certain people, this give rise to a tendency to massively internalize games as part of their identity and thus a part of themselves rather than an external creation. Actually, that's a problem with nerds and media in general but it is especially pronounced among gamers. Add to that years of games actually being unduly criticized and attemptedly censored (in the true sense) on the basis of flimsy information and preconceptions about them being children's toys by idiots who couldn't tell a controller from a console, and you had a powder keg. Then someone lit a match. Well, not really. All that happened was that games started to grow up just a tiny bit. Some players started to apply really just the same basic critical scrutiny that every other medium gets (like basic feminist critique for instance). That really didn't go over well with the kind of gamers I mentioned earlier though. These people lashed out at anyone at all critical of any aspect of games and have basically just been a giant, insufferable ball of self-perpetuating hate ever since. As they've gotten more and more desperate the narrative has become increasingly absurd. The worst ones now basically live in a bubble of protective delusion where all criticism is censorship, all critics are not real gamers, criticisms of sexism are criticisms of sex, basic decency is "political correctness", and all progressive positions are "an agenda" while affirmations of the status quo are "unbiased". (It has dovetailed quite effectively with modern right wing rhetoric in this regard). Of course, that makes feminists a bunch of evil fascist invaders who want to destroy gaming and take it away from "real gamers". It's sad really. A lot of the same people who likely spent years arguing that games weren't just kids toys and should be treated like a serious medium. Now that they are, they're mad. It's not really surprising though. This is what happens when you have a bunch of people who think "gamer" is their identity, let them stew in a bunch of regressive bullshit until they think that's the norm, and subject them to years of living straw men until they're paranoid and clueless about what real criticism is. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Well, what puzzles me is why it's specific to certain media but not others.
EDIT: It seems the question was directly answered as I was posting it. Thank you! Last edited by leafy sea dragon on Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:54 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Torrin
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What's pretty sad is that the mentality you describe is a conformist's. Everyone must play politically correct games that offend no one. If someone dares to try to make something different just harass, attack and criticize them all while shouting same OMG SEXIST and bring negative media attention until you get your way. There's quite a difference, these people you call regressive are ok with having games that fit the PC narrative (not sexualizing girls, 'normal' bodytype etc) but feminists only want games that are approved by them. It's pretty sick that they can't handle anyone playing games they personally don't like. |
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