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harminia
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:06 am
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R.I.P posh Adrien/Felix.
You will be missed, but you'll at least live on forever in our hearts.
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AnimeLordLuis
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:35 am
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I've been watching LadyBug and Cat Noir on nick and so far it's pretty good but after seeing what the show looks like in 2D I have to say I'm impressed and wonder why they went the 3D route when the 2D looks so cool now I'm not saying they should have gone with 2D animation instead of 3D after all 3D still has it's moments.
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RitsuLaw
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:39 am
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AnimeLordLuis wrote: | I've been watching LadyBug and Cat Noir on nick and so far it's pretty good but after seeing what the show looks like in 2D I have to say I'm impressed and wonder why they went the 3D route when the 2D looks so cool now I'm not saying they should have gone with 2D animation instead of 3D after all 3D still has it's moments. |
They didn't go for 2D because they had a low budget.
Glad to see that the show went well enough for them to make a 2D version; even if it's just a OVA.
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KENZICHI
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:34 am
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I CAN'T WAIT!!!
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Chester McCool
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:56 am
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AnimeLordLuis wrote: | I've been watching LadyBug and Cat Noir on nick and so far it's pretty good but after seeing what the show looks like in 2D I have to say I'm impressed and wonder why they went the 3D route when the 2D looks so cool now I'm not saying they should have gone with 2D animation instead of 3D after all 3D still has it's moments. |
Because 2D is dead everywhere outside Japan.
I completely forgot about this show being a thing. I remember /co/ and tumblr hyping this up to be a Pretty Cure killer years ago. Im still laughing at that.
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Aima_Unicorn
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:46 am
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RitsuLaw wrote: | They didn't go for 2D because they had a low budget.
Glad to see that the show went well enough for them to make a 2D version; even if it's just a OVA. |
Well, I know they had expressed interest in doing an anime series before, so I assume this OVA is just a stepping stone. I know Zag recently announced they were working on season 2 & 3 of Miraculous already, so it seems the show is doing well enough.
I hope if they do decide to do an anime series, that they make the content a bit darker and more mature. Also, I'm glad to see their keeping Adrien, Felix seemed a bit too cliche to me.
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Shadowrun20XX
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:16 am
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That repulsive homogenized PIXAR look that everything has or "is", is exactly the reason why I'm a fan of Japanese animation.
This preview is pretty epic.
I went and found an episode. Eww. Could have been something great. Too bad It's Disney channel style fodder now. Gotta go with what pays.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:40 am
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Shadowrun20XX wrote: |
Gotta go with what pays. |
But that's what everyone does, even in Japan.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:37 am
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Didn't know that it already came out on Nick. Will have to set the DVR.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:19 pm
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enurtsol wrote: | But that's what everyone does, even in Japan. |
Somewhat true as well, but the anime model is also more of the reverse. Make something then hope to God it finds an audience and sells. Despite what some people say, if companies knew exactly what otaku wanted, we'd see far less bombs every season.
Though that being said, Japan doesn't have the problem listed in the wiki of "Originally, the concept dealt with political themes geared towards teens and young adults. Failing to gain traction with networks, it was retooled for a younger target audience." Obviously there's plenty of anime aimed at older audiences, but unless it's an animated sitcom, western animation targets strictly kids, so I'm not surprised it turned out the way it did and became a children's superhero show. And since kids love CG, it's now CG.
I also assume that's why the name was changed. Miraculous Ladybug is too girly, and has the name of the female hero in it. Change it to just Miraculous and it becomes gender neutral, or throw in the male hero's name to achieve similar affect. No doubt a result of networks's stigma of female leads in cartons.
-Stuart Smith
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Aima_Unicorn
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:06 pm
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Stuart Smith wrote: | Though that being said, Japan doesn't have the problem listed in the wiki of "Originally, the concept dealt with political themes geared towards teens and young adults. Failing to gain traction with networks, it was retooled for a younger target audience." |
Yeah, I remember Toei was really trying to pitch the anime concept, but the higher ups rejected it. However, they did say if it did well enough, they wanted to give it an anime series as well; this at least shows they're still committed to that at least, as an OVA is a step in the right direction.
I also hope they go with their original darker materials and political themes if they do make it into an anime (which I assume they would since anime targets an older audience the majority of the time). Either way, I'm pretty excited to see how this turns out and plan to support the series. It will be quite different from many of the other anime out there.
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Southkaio
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:36 pm
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Hope that the 2D original animation video will be drawn completely in Japan.
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Chrno2
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:53 pm
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Actually I'm surprised that this is happening. It's funny that it never happened the first time. This kind of reminds me of what they did for the Re: Cutie Honey live-action film. Had a animated opening and the rest live-action. They they went back and did a animated OVA series.
Looking forward to seeing this. You know it's gonna be good.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:25 am
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Stuart Smith wrote: |
enurtsol wrote: |
But that's what everyone does, even in Japan. |
Somewhat true as well, but the anime model is also more of the reverse. Make something then hope to God it finds an audience and sells. Despite what some people say, if companies knew exactly what otaku wanted, we'd see far less bombs every season. |
Most anime nowadays are adaptations of already successful franchises, whether games, light novels, manga, etc. They already know there's an audience - it's just a matter of tapping that audience and possibly expanding it, which is a matter of execution.
They're smart; they know what otaku like - for them, it's like a bulletpoint of tropes. Problem is, everybody is doing the same things; they all have that bulletpoint! But they can't abandon those tropes that otaku like --they have to keep 'em-- but they have to add in something a little bit different, to give it a little bit of edge on the samey competition. If it's too different, otaku won't buy it. For ex: it's not random 9 out of 10 shows involve high school anime-style teens; that's planned by smart business committees.
Stuart Smith wrote: |
Though that being said, Japan doesn't have the problem listed in the wiki of "Originally, the concept dealt with political themes geared towards teens and young adults. Failing to gain traction with networks, it was retooled for a younger target audience." Obviously there's plenty of anime aimed at older audiences, but unless it's an animated sitcom, western animation targets strictly kids, so I'm not surprised it turned out the way it did and became a children's superhero show. And since kids love CG, it's now CG. |
Maybe that's for the better - unless satire, people tend not to like politics in their toons and anime (especially anime).
And CG is fine, nothing wrong with that; it's all in the execution. CG has some advantages: many people like it; it's easier to turn into 3D toys; and more jobs would be kept locally.
Stuart Smith wrote: |
I also assume that's why the name was changed. Miraculous Ladybug is too girly, and has the name of the female hero in it. Change it to just Miraculous and it becomes gender neutral, or throw in the male hero's name to achieve similar affect. No doubt a result of networks's stigma of female leads in cartons. |
It's become a chicken-and-egg thing - networks don't show female-bannered toons, while girls watch live-action young-adult shows. If enough girls watch, they won't need the boys.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:36 am
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enurtsol wrote: | Maybe that's for the better - unless satire, people tend not to like politics in their toons and anime (especially anime).
And CG is fine, nothing wrong with that; it's all in the execution. CG has some advantages: many people like it; it's easier to turn into 3D toys; and more jobs would be kept locally.
It's become a chicken-and-egg thing - networks don't show female-bannered toons, while girls watch live-action young-adult shows. If enough girls watch, they won't need the boys. |
Yeah, I wanted ot say that there's nothing inherently wrong with 3-D CGI as a type of animation. It's all in the execution. You can have badly-done 2-D animation too. Look at all the Toei-bashing for shows like One Piece here on this very site.
And I'd say the climate is changing: Boys today seem to be more willing to watch shows with female protagonists (it seems to have started around when Kim Possible was airing; I'm guessing that show helped to turn things around). The question is if they want toys of these female characters, which I have absolutely no clue about. But I do know the issue when I was younger (I didn't get many show-related toys, but I knew a lot of classmates who did) was the fear of these action figures of female characters being mistaken for dolls a la Barbie or Bratz.
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