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Gundam Junkie
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What do you people think of the new MS for Gundam00?
(I'm talking the non-Gundam models here) Only one seems like it might actually be a Mobile Suit, and that is the Tieren. The other two, Union Flag and the AEU Enact don't look as though they have cockpits. Could it be - The return of the Mobile Doll??? (Dramatic music) If anyone has more info please share with us. 
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Nagisa
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The Union Flag and Enact don't look any thinner than Eureka Seven's LFOs, Zeta Gundam's Methuss, or Gundam X's Correl, all of which were piloted. Personally, the designs all strike me as kind of "blah." Everyone's been raving about how they're so "different" and "unique," but really we've been seeing stringy mecha rather regularly in anime for years now. Just because they're now featured prominently in a Gundam series for the first time (well, since the Methuss) doesn't make them suddenly a hot, new thing all over again, in my opinion. The Tieren's alright, probably the best of the bunch, but it's still basically just another Zaku/Jenice/Borjarnon/GINN, and really isn't that much different from said predecessors. Certainly nothing to go all ga-ga over like many of the fans have been doing.
Really, if the idea for making mobile suit designs feel fresh and new is to leech off of what other mecha series are doing (again, the rail-thin design scheme), then Sunrise are probably better off just doing what they did with SEED & X, and tweaking classic formulas to make something distinctive out of them (paint a Zaku grey, add a crest, some boosters, and voila!). At least that way, while they're shamelessly lifting from other mecha anime, they can still retain that solid Gundam design motif, and it won't just feel like we're watching "Gundam vs. Nirvash" like with 00's grunts. |
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Randall Miyashiro
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I tend to like the Izubuchi (Sazabi/Kampher) designs that have that organic look without many corners. I think it is more a post UC design mentality where all the MS resemble the RX line. Indeed if you look at some of those ugly Victory designs they get out there.
I'm a tad concerned since the all the kits are around 500 to 600 Yen. Most of the HGUC kits go fir 1000-1600 Yen. I wonder if this is an indication that this series will be aimed towards the "middle" age bracket according to Nagisa's 3 age bracket marketing plan. I still think there was a shift in the Seed market. I noticed that the launch kits for Seed were mainly 300-600 Yen. Most of the later kits went up to 1500-1600 Yen for the 1/144 kits. There are still the handful of cheaper kits as to not get to expensive for the younger fans, but most of the kits are in the UC price range. I think the DVD push is further evidence that Sunrise and Bandai is aiming the Seed line towards the older audience. I recall seeing the Seed and Destiny DVDs sales were phenomenal at amazon.co.jp . |
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Nagisa
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Honestly, the more I re-read the Bandai exec quote I pulled that from, and the more I look at the direction Gundam 00 is taking, the more I begin to doubt my initial conclusion. It's entirely possible that this series will be meant to attract an audience younger than SEED's, to foster some "new generation" of fans now that the young-teen crowd that loved SEED are growing up and moving on (many of them likely "graduating" to older UC fare like Gundam Unicorn, for example). I dunno, I honestly think my initial analysis will end up being completely off, because the way Gundam 00 is developing certainly does not sound like the sort of thing aimed at a 19-24 adult crowd. |
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Anime World
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They said that it will be running in high-definition. So I think this show will be presented in wide-screen.
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Nagisa
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...okay, and? I don't see exactly where that relates to the current discussion, sorry. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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My question is will they ruin it with over angtsy characters that make you wanna claw your eyes out like in Seed and especially in Destiny? Angst has always been a part of Gundam I think but am I the only one who felt they were watching their high school drama queens and kings but in mechs with Destiny? take away the mechs and war and it felt like I was back in high school. maybe that's just me. Seed and Destiny certainly looked nice but they always fell flat for me in the story department. It's not that the plots were that bad, just delivered in a bad way. I kept hoping everyone would just die and that would be it, end of show. It, for me, lacked the pizazz and powered behind it many of the older MS titles had. I just hope the story is delivered in a better manner this time. As long as the story is on the money, and done well, I don't mind much how they make the Gundams themselves look. Since you seem to be the resident Gundam Guru nagisa perhaps you could share what you think about 00 in terms of where it may stack up when released compared to other MS titles.
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Nagisa
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Well, as it stands right now, it could go one of two ways: one good and one really, really, really.......really, really, really, really bad.
On the one hand, the show uses a real-world setting (AD calendar, vaguely plausible political territories), legitimate ethnic and energy crises, and a main character & good guy organization very reminiscent of Full Metal Panic! as the groundwork for everything. Combined with Seiji "Director's Chair Alchemist" Mizushima's vision, these elements could produce a very stellar product, and the sort of high-quality mainstream production Gundam needs in order to save face after Gundam SEED Hindenburg (er, Destiny). On the other hand, the lack of female characters, extremely effeminate all-male Gundam pilot team, lofty idealism motivating said team, and acknowledged "super robot approach" to the Gundams all bring to mind the horrors that were Gundam Wing and the aforementioned Gundam SEED Destiny. Combined with Mizushima's penchant for hilariously melodramatic angst at times, these elements could produce yet another failure of a Gundam TV series with an absolutely nonsensical plot based around shoddily-written characters and a script that barely stays coherent, which has seemingly been a regular occurrence since the horrific blight that was Victory Gundam cursed the world with its presence back in 1993 (though, to be fair, Sunrise's fixation on making Gundam into yaoi bait wouldn't be until two years after that, but the whole "awful writing/incoherency" thing waxed fullest with Victory and made a grand return with Destiny). Basically, 00's in a funny spot right now where, depending on how hopeful or cynical you are, it could sound like the best or worst Gundam series yet. I personally am trying to stay somewhere in the middle, because each news report that comes out on it tends to flip-flop between promising (gritty combat in the AD!) and disastrous (they're all really girly-looking angry guys again!). |
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ikillchicken
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I hate when people lump both SEED and Destiny together. People complain about the CE series being over angsty, but thats only true for one of em. I thought the characters in SEED were actually realistic in their reactions. What makes someone a Drama Queen is that they act Dramatic over stuff that doesnt warrant it.
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Randall Miyashiro
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I got around to watching the Zeta film trilogy this last weekend and the first thing that struck me was that there was less teen angst compared to the television series. The best episodes edited out were spoiler[all those episodes with the confused Rosamia, especially the Psyco MkII episode which really breaks the flow of episodes at the end.] Also the shift seemed to drift from Kamiyu and those related to him, to Kamiyu and Char. Jerid and Fa seem to get much smaller roles compared to the series and Jerid spoiler[didn't even have his parting words]. I really hated all of the nagging that Fa did in the series, and all of Kamiyu's dumb hang ups with her. I was a bit surprised that Four's spoiler[Kilimanjaro story was edited out, since almost every other scene with Amuro involved was kept.] The character who had a bigger role which surprised me is Henken! I love the new scenes with him and prefer his playful relationship with Emma compared to all that teen angst which was edited out. I suppose us UC fans have grown old.
I really don't have very high hopes for Gundam 00. Seeing how the Shaman King/FMA director is helming it and the cheap prices for the kits I expect it lean towards the young shounen crowd. I don't think there is much else to formulate opinions of this series so far beyond the other staff members and the bishounen characters remind me of Wing which also had a OP song which was a hit with the younger fans. Maybe Sunrise is trying the Wing formula on this new series. Either way I don't think it will be embraced by as many UC fans as Seed (which had a unique split demographic with a huge 35-40 year old fan basis, followed by early 30s then under 20) had. |
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Gundam Junkie
Posts: 89 Location: Great Britain; with an emphisis on Great |
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Well, the conversation appears to have moved away from the mecha side, but no matter...
What's with all this SEED bashing? (and to some extent, Wing bashing?) Are all these bashers UC stalwarts? Each to their own I suppose. 
Admitadly, Shinn from Destiny did kind of tick me off, especially the way he treats Cagalli, but I can understand why given the circumstances. Destiny itself was a tad weaker than SEED but hey, its a sequal, they're never as good really. Any anime, Gundam or not, is to entertain, and if it does that then its a success in my opinion. (Same with Star Wars but that's not anything to do with Gundam so I won't talk any further on it). Back to the mecha side: I'm not too sure about these new MS designs. I like my mecha to have some meat on them, but these new none look a tad too scrawny for war machines. Again... where the heck does the pilot sit? If it is in the torso then what is its propulsion/power supply? Batteries, a la the GAT series (SEED)? Phew... sorry for the long post chaps... 
I'll shut up for now. |
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ruro niko
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I think the spoiler[Rosamia not in it] is one of the things I like about the movies, and I never did like her character. As for Four, what they had was enough to get the feeling across. As for 00, I'm iffy about it right not. The grunts are interesting, and I'd like to see them in action. It's odd though. I see some MS art of the Gundams where the look good and then art where they look awful, so it's hard to form an opinion on them. I am interested in seeing that sniper Gundam in action though. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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Most of the characters in SEED and Destiny had their loved ones blown up right in front of their eyes. No wonder why they are emo. From episodes 30-50 that's when SEED get's good. Other then that, it's: battle, melodrama, battle, melodrama etc. I didn't like Wing but I like Seed. Destiny is alright, but sequels are never good. I know in the States they edited Seed to a 7+ rating, my question is: what was Kira and Flay's relationship? Euchre partners?
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ruro niko
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Watch Zeta Gundam and say sequels are never good. Not ZZ though as that may prove your point.
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Gundam Junkie
Posts: 89 Location: Great Britain; with an emphisis on Great |
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mistriss_reebi wrote
SEED a 7+??? What the hell? With all that blood, racial violence and general emotional goings on? What do the American broadcasters think Gundam is, a low-budget Saterday morning thing? 
I dread to think what they did to Kira & Flay, especially what they, ahem, did. Heck, in the movie we even see it! 
(SEED is a tad guilty of displaying 'naked flesh', and Destiny is even more so.) |
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