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NEWS: Crunchyroll to Stream Uncensored Terraformars Anime


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MarshalBanana



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:22 am Reply with quote
Marzan wrote:
If Hokuto no Ken had come out in 2014, they would have probably have to made it into a radio only version. There's only so many exploding heads you can show.


I doubt it, haven't you see the latest version, a film from 09 I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKTt-adn_LI&t=3m37s

If you ever watch an Anime that is ultra violence, then it was either a Film or an OVA. The only other way is that it was broadcast on a network with very loose restrictions that airs late at night.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:30 am Reply with quote
DRosencraft wrote:
I get that some people like gore and artists want the freedom to create the story they want. But there is certain stuff that we can all probably agree should not be aired on TV at whatever time you want. I imagine the creators of this show knew at some time in advance what timeslot they were likely to get. My question then is why put in so much effort to make such a gory show knowing this is what would happen? Did they not explore other options, like online only release, or a multi-part OVA?

TV airing would make them more money, since its a way to advertise it.

You could always get the uncensored version on BD, just like with an OVA. So really not that different from an OVA in the first place.


bigivel wrote:

OVAs get way to little people! The first volume of this anime got OVA around 40k copies bought,

That was included with the manga, so we don't know how many copies the stand-alone OVA sold.

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if I remember well. That is nothing compared with Millions of viewers

In a late-nigth tv slot? Fat chance, tv ratings are really low for those slots.

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and the advertisement money received for that. Making anime is expensive,

You mean zero? They buy the late-nigth tv timeslots, they gain no money from the advertisements that play during it.

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Also OVAs overlap the DVD/BD sales. Instead of receiving money for TV and DVD/BD you would only receive for the OVAs, that most time is just DVD.

The only reason to air it on tv over the OVA release is to get people to buy the merch/BDs/Manga/LN/VN/Game


A sidenote, OVAs only get a DVD-only release if its included with a manga/LN volume, otherwise they always get BD releases.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:59 am Reply with quote
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Blood- wrote:
Thank friggin' God. Whoever was in charge of the censored version should be repeatedly punched in the face.


Well Blood-, it may be annoying but at least the massive censorship does back up/confirmed what Gundam SEED's director said about anime has too many regulation (which I believe censorship falls under).

Technically, he's wrong with those blanket statements. There's risk avoidance pressure for prime time slots, but not for late night. Certainly NOT any legal restrictions. Did you read the comments in the Answerman thread citing counter-evidence that disproves it? The fact that Love Stage, a BL anime, censors out the men's chest shows that the purpose of censoring late night anime is to incentivize home video sales.

Among the counter examples cited like Parasyte or others for recent shows, if you want evidence that they could have aired it uncensored if they really wanted to look at Claymore. That blog has many screen caps from the TV broadcast of each episode.

example:
http://randomc.net/image/Claymore/Claymore%20-%2021%20-%20Large%2007.jpg

Rederoin wrote:

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and the advertisement money received for that. Making anime is expensive,

You mean zero? They buy the late-nigth tv timeslots, they gain no money from the advertisements that play during it.


Well to be more accurate, they're able to buy all the airing time up front with the help of sponsors in the production committee who then get play their ads. The ads are highly targeted. As far as viewers, the midnight (occasionally 11/11:30pm) to 4am block on the major stations are all anime everyday, but people just DVR them.

Ther ratings system does not capture DVR usage, nor streaming usage, nor multiple viewers in a household, and maybe the biggest hurdle is that it requires voluntary participation in the first place. That's why it's pretty much irrelevant to late night anime stats.


Anyways, as to why the Japanese licensors are allowing Crunchyroll to do this, I speculate it is to try to combat fansubs. All of them except for the stream rips (which uses an automated scheduled system from what I know), use the Japanese broadcast raws, If CR is going back and posting the uncensored versions at a later date, then there is an incentive to watch on CR.

(edit because I can't hotlink images)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:22 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:

Technically, he's wrong with those blanket statements. There's risk avoidance pressure for prime time slots, but not for late night. Certainly NOT any legal restrictions. Did you read the comments in the Answerman thread citing counter-evidence that disproves it? The fact that Love Stage, a BL anime, censors out the men's chest shows that the purpose of censoring late night anime is to incentivize home video sales.

Among the counter examples cited like Parasyte or others for recent shows, if you want evidence that they could have aired it uncensored if they really wanted to look at Claymore. That blog has many screen caps from the TV broadcast of each episode.

example:



I don't watch fansub anime anymore because of the censorship (it turns me off, and along with translation mistakes), so I don't know and not aware of what you mention.

About Claymore, I was told and showed that the fansubs was censored too (I wish I could find it), so I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're probably not aware of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:23 am Reply with quote
An advantage CR had back when they streamed fansubs was that they might have had more uncensored shows then then they do now.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:40 am Reply with quote
TF is a midnigth-anime. So are most new anime. The industry is funny that way. The censorship or most of it has to be artificial to get people to buy the discs. Other explanation ?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:49 am Reply with quote
@mdo7

For Claymore all those are the Japanese TV broadcast pics. randomc blogs about episodes as they air. Look at the posting dates. They're not DVDs. They're not fansubs either (raws).

Someone else mentioned Parasyte. I haven't watched it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were another one that showed gore. Anyways I'm just pointing out that there are no actual regulations. Gundam needs to maintain a mainstream image to sell merchandise globally, and the producers are just being risk averse. But there are no government censors that you need to pass through or laws saying you can show this but not that as all the counter examples show.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:56 am Reply with quote
residentgrigo wrote:
TF is a midnigth-anime. So are most new anime. The industry is funny that way. The censorship or most of it has to be artificial to get people to buy the discs. Other explanation ?
But sometimes it goes overboard enough to likely counter its purpose, as seems the case with Terra Formars...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:57 am Reply with quote
Mr. sickVisionz wrote:
I'll check this out "at a later date" then.

How bad is the censoring on this?


At least half the screen is blacked out in certain scenes. Any violent death is blacked out. For example.


configspace wrote:


Someone else mentioned Parasyte. I haven't watched it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were another one that showed gore.


Yes, Parasyte debuted after Terraformars, and it depicts decapitation and impalement. I feel there's no difference in the graphic death and violence of both shows.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:03 pm Reply with quote
I haven´t heard of regulations eather. Most stations are ok with blood fountains but the insides of a corpse are forever a no-no. This is why Claymore survived. Nipples are sometimes tricky too but that has to be mostly artificial sales thing. But companies like Madhouse sometimes skip that out of public image i guess like in Rainbow. The only regulation is the visible lack of genitalia the enemy of public decency No.1 of course ! And thus came tentacles, yuri and crazy porn to fill the void. Does a tv anime exist that showed actual on screen human sperm or an anus because that would prove that japanese deceny laws make no sense ? I am asking because more then enough seinen manga have these.
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ItAintEazy



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configspace wrote:
@mdo7

For Claymore all those are the Japanese TV broadcast pics. randomc blogs about episodes as they air. Look at the posting dates. They're not DVDs. They're not fansubs either (raws).


You have to remember that Claymore was broadcast at the same time as School Days, a show that really got the ball rolling on late-night anime censorship if I remember.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:37 pm Reply with quote
Great point ItAintEazy. But i wonder how Baccano´s violence slipped through. That was 90s ova extreme and alll around the best.
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ErzaScralet



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:14 pm Reply with quote
Like everyone here, I hope it's MUCH sooner rather than later, and I'll stop streaming from episode 3 and rewatch when it is uncensored.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Thank friggin' God. Whoever was in charge of the censored version should be repeatedly punched in the face.
True words spoken sir
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:33 pm Reply with quote
ItAintEazy wrote:
configspace wrote:
@mdo7

For Claymore all those are the Japanese TV broadcast pics. randomc blogs about episodes as they air. Look at the posting dates. They're not DVDs. They're not fansubs either (raws).


You have to remember that Claymore was broadcast at the same time as School Days, a show that really got the ball rolling on late-night anime censorship if I remember.


Nice boat happened for School Days only because it happened to coincide with a real murder. But that is normal to take an episode off because of real life events.

residentgrigo wrote:
Great point ItAintEazy. But i wonder how Baccano´s violence slipped through. That was 90s ova extreme and alll around the best.


Uh.. probably the same way Claymore and now Parasyte slipped through as YotaruVegeta mentioned?

YotaruVegeta wrote:
Yes, Parasyte debuted after Terraformars, and it depicts decapitation and impalement. I feel there's no difference in the graphic death and violence of both shows.


But I think "slipping through" is mischaracterizing the reality because there are no actual regulations penalizing broadcasters for doing this or that (aside from censoring genitalia). If there were, you would not see such vast inconsistency when it comes to violence, gore, or nudity. Like Garo, or Sekirei episode 09, or Sekirei Pure Engagement episode 01. or Lupin III Fujiko Mine, or as previously mentioned, late night live action movies practically all of which air uncensored.

As I said, it's all due to either: avoid public complaints OR push DVD/BD sales.
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