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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 3:49 pm Reply with quote
DuskyPredator wrote:
Alka is not the only one questioning either, what is the deal with the proprietress?

Well if I were here I would get tired of seeing all these people throwing themselves into a meat grinder. If she opposes the regime she doesn't see direct military confrontation as the way to do it. After all we just saw three baddies take out two whole armies. She's got a business to run.

As for Karen, I have gotten rather fond of her dance in the ending credits. It looks like they motion-captured a real dancer doing it. The moves seem limited the way a real girl's would be. And somehow a bit amateurish.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 5:10 pm Reply with quote
Aye. From what I understand getting a pro buchaechum dancer for the mocap would be really expensive. I think it's a really big thing. They likely got a student who's learning it. Always a good cost-effective solution.
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TD912



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:00 am Reply with quote
Well that was a lot of yelling and screaming and "other" loud noises. At least it seems that nobody died in episode 7.

From the minute Alka walked into that village, something felt seriously off. And yep, it was a cult. The animation was kinda rough again, but the background art was pretty nice.

We're past the halfway point of the show, and there's still lots of small details that are still slowly being revealed, so I have no idea how this is going to end.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:20 am Reply with quote
ep.7

spoiler[arka in sand beach then see mori (village girl from ep.1) invite arka to boat of cleansing village to the "mother" give place people had face paint mark then meet the "mother" said she want rid of the "impure".

then furry merchant appear notice arka in village which got spread around to karen hearing it that bad news for arka & cameo doing of roana give speech & hazuki being drill sarge to roana's new members.

night time arka had talk with mori about search & revenge doing yet "mother" appear yet cue bell ring it a trap.

cause boat cleansing is cult area with "mother" going joe carroll cult level to have mori kill arka to be "clean" then raining arrow appear with arka take time to escape.

arka see furry merchant did arrows shot help arka yet mori going want revenge for her old village then karen to rescue then ask will kill arka bring everything back?

yet mori let arka live & all that done karen saving arka then ask her something from 3yrs ago yet get her answer in a "thank you"]
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:01 am Reply with quote
Episode 7

That was no vacation at the beach, some interesting stuff, and a return character that is pretty tragic.

Also looks like the Alka spoiler[killed someone important to the Propiertress in the past, and is thus would have motive for revenge.]
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:34 am Reply with quote
A creepy episode indeed, mainly because you can see how this might actually happen.

Also, regarding DuskyPredator's spoilered comment, I doubt spoiler[the Proprietress wants revenge on Alka. Alka is just a tool and she knows that. No, it's the person who hired her that she would want revenge on. I think that is why she said she felt better once Alka confirmed that she was the one that committed the murder. IIRC, the murder is probably the one shown in the flashback a few episodes back.]

I can't help but feel a bit sorry for the girl from the first episode. She loses everything only to have someone pray on her vulnerable state. But I was happy to see that she didn't give in to her hate even after all that has happened to her. Alka also showed quite a bit of restraint on her own part -- I think she's continuing to change, even if it is fairly subtle.
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leatherhead333



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:35 am Reply with quote
And once again none of this is relevant to the main story Confused
Didn't really care for the girl considering just about every supporting character seems to be incredibly expandable in this show. Not like it's hard to not be attached to anyone since everyone besides the Proprietress is bland or annoying.

The only part that mattered was near the end. If not for the preview which suggests we will actually be getting on track next episode this might have been it for me.

I haven't watched many video game adapations but they all seem to be plagued with issues similar to what's happening here. Story is all over the place, so many things happen for no reason, bad character development pacing etc.

This one isn't quite as bad as BlazBlue but it still leaves much to be desired. As stupid as Queen's Blade Rebellion was it still had MUCH better flow and pacing with the story and characters.

Now I see what the show is trying to do. Each episode kind of highlights perplexing issues of morality. Killing to make a living, what true justice is, revenge etc. But the problem is that none of these issues are really elaborated on properly or make a compelling statement on the matter. In many ways this is the same equivalent to incredibly shallow american cartoon story telling. Have a bunch of episodes that don't matter. Then sprinkle in some plot every now and then. Afterwards it's back to business. Having AIka develop at an incredibly slow and unsatisfying pace is NOT worth wasting 24 minutes of my time.

I really want to like this but i just don't see anything appealing about it anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:10 am Reply with quote
But the plot ties directly into episode 1's plot? We see people pushed by revenge, just like she is, and yet made to face she herself could be the causes of such pain. Bits that the gang are mostly just stuck in a revenge game, mentions that revenge just creates more revenge, some idea of forgiveness or made to hate. And really Alka has changed, previously she would have killed.

I think her meeting the guy who is in the preview will be the next step for her.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:20 am Reply with quote
I was thinking about the revenge angle even before DP brought it up again. Mainly, I think there's a difference in the revenge being sought by Alka and the revenge sought by the girl from Ep 1. When Alka is asked by various people what her goal is, and she says revenge, she also mentions that the Code that she follows *demands* that she seek revenge. In other words, she is *obligated* to seek revenge whether she personally wants to or not. She is merely following the Code. This is different than Ep 1. girl, who is acting on an emotional need to blame someone for what happened to her and her village (and which leaves her susceptible to being influenced by "Mother").

Now, I don't know if Alka has a personal desire to seek revenge or not. She very well may have that motivating her as well, but if so she's kept that hidden from view, and possibly from herself as well. But if she continues to defrost, then this is something that will probably come to the surface.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:43 pm Reply with quote
DuskyPredator wrote:
But the plot ties directly into episode 1's plot? We see people pushed by revenge, just like she is, and yet made to face she herself could be the causes of such pain. Bits that the gang are mostly just stuck in a revenge game, mentions that revenge just creates more revenge, some idea of forgiveness or made to hate. And really Alka has changed, previously she would have killed.

I think her meeting the guy who is in the preview will be the next step for her.


The plot in the first episode is not relevant to the overall story. It might be effecting AIka but as far as everything else is concerned it was pointless. I've seen enough Naruto episodes to be sick of the whole "hatred begets more hatred" concept. If your going to go with such a tired idea you NEED to do something interesting with it. However I don't see that being the case here. The story is not interested in braking away from the mold and is just aimlessly throwing out different concepts only to add it's lack of complexity.

AIka despite being less willing to kill is still not an interesting character. From the first episode it was rather obvious how she was going to develop. All characters like her pretty much go the same route. The end result is basically "I used to have on feelings but now i do!" That's just plain boring to me honestly.

I mean Satellizer from Freezing was basically the same way and yet i found myself liking her character much more because she actually had a personality that I could get invested into. Compared to AIka I'm still trying to find reasons why i should care when she's in mortal danger.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 7:17 am Reply with quote
ep.8

spoiler[
flashback when arka & her master talk of emotions of having them & being without them then forward arka on village with karen following her til falling yuu arrive.

so arka & karen bring yuu to area where hazuki & roana are camping give yuu is sorta ok give have impurity aura wound give explain on it if those take it & survive they become "monsters" of impurity.

meanwhile varrel & her 2 members got info on find arka give want end it now then arka & yuu having some talks & foods give saying if focus only one thing you forget yourself.

then it time arka vs varrel give everyone just watching give all happen then yuu all wounded go help arka give varrel did more damage to yuu.

then arka & varrel keep battle even when arka's butterfly tattoo glow then all it end-up with arka stab varrel to end it.

give varrel's big guy going NO yet varrel's top female cover his eyes yet varrel herself just take it bit smile go white & "boom".

yuu all wound give wish teach more to arka even ask for mercy slash give arka can't do it give yuu said it fine & sorry then it all over cue the rains.

(not done yet next week ep arka vs karen with new revenge?!) ]
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 8:50 am Reply with quote
Kind of a boring eppie, imo. The first half was just a bunch of ho-hum talk about The Master and the spoiler["battle" between Alka and Jin Varrel (and that fluffy eared dude) seemed kind of anti-climatic. Although if Fluffy Ears is actually dead,] that's sad.
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 11:30 am Reply with quote
Episode 8

Yuu was a pretty cool guy. There was a major cornerstone in this episode, and it was that spoiler[Alka finally showed emotion, it does indeed look like she has reached the point where she is letting emotions have some say].

You can grumble and say nothing happens, but I actually fully enjoy how Alka has changed over the series, I think she has grown quite convincingly from being an emotionless weapon to becoming a person. There was even some intimacy here, and not in a sexual way, I liked watching her spoiler[and Yuu share food], reminds me of several things where they mention that eating with someone is actually one of the most intimate things humans do.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:34 pm Reply with quote
I also liked how Yuu called Alka out on whether she was seeking revenge due to the requirements of the Code, or whether she was emotionally invested in it. It seems to me, based on her reaction, that she had not been emotionally invested in it, but that she was showing signs of becoming that way... another sign that she was beginning to have/show emotions of her own.

This episode was mainly about Alka's inner emotional state, IMO. Even the fight was about that (though it seemed excessively abstract to me). I'm afraid spoiler[that's the last we're going to see of Yuu as well. And, yeah, I thought he was pretty cool, too.]

One funny scene in this episode was when Alka is carrying the sickly Yuu and the Bounty Hunter chick shows up, ready to fight, and the Proprietress just says, "Not now." to her. Heh.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:49 pm Reply with quote
Meh I'm not buying that spoiler[AIka killed Jin. It seems like a rather anticlimactic way to end a battle with the main antagonist so far.] Nice to FINALLY see some development from AIka but with characters like this the development is still rather predictable and boring.

I'm actually kind of bummed that they spoiler[ killed off the little fox boy already. I think he would have made a nice companion for AIka and he was a pretty good character for the time he had. It just sucks that I'm expected to care about people who AIka meets dying in one mer episode of dedication (the fox boy technically got two but still).]

[EDIT: Be courteous and use spoiler tags when applicable, please. -TK]
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