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fighterholic
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I'm seeing that there are a lot of noobs on the forum asking about whether there will be a season two of something, when ANN hasn't even gotten wind of something or the thing simply does not exist. [People asking for a season 2 of an anime] is what I am talking about, and I'm seeing that Tony K. has had to lock a lot of threads on account of "speculation". Like there is a No Recommendations thread, I propose that there be a sticky similar to the topic of this thread telling people not to ask unless it is announced, and maybe have a link to the encyclopedia for more information. Just a thought, and trying to be a good Samaritin in the ANN community. If the mods feel that this topic is over the fence, please feel free to lock it.
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Zalis116
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So, can we ask for downloads of something that doesn't exist?
J/k, but it's Christmas Break season, one of those times of the year when the forums flood with newbs *edit* who don't read the rules, don't read stickies, can't type decent English, can't use the forum search, and ask pointless dead-horse questions. * I don't see the need for yet another sticky at the top of the page -- give it a week and this stuff will most likely pass. Last edited by Zalis116 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Lord Kefka
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Saying that sure makes a lot of the new people feel welcomed and all calling us "noobs" (with obviously a negative connotation) who flood the board only during the holidays. Good job. I can't tell if the intentions are to benefit and help everyone, new and old, or only those closed circle of people you think are worthy of posting here from what I read. Maybe I'm reading too much into it or getting the wrong impression. I'm just not sure those cynical remarks such as giving us the impression that we are part of the "holiday rush" or being "noobs" are the best way to put it as if it represents us all.. The idea of this topic is there though I'll give you that much.
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dormcat
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Good veterans* can separate the wheat from the chaff pretty easily. I always point to this article when newbies feel "pushed" and/or unwelcome from veterans: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way by Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen While the article is about computer-related questions, its principles can apply to any field. Allow me to quote some of the best examples it has given:
Now you should have some basic ideas about what to ask and what not to ask. Enjoy!
Because it is true. Past experiences told us that during spring, summer, and winter (holiday) breaks there were surges of newly registered users, asking silly, often one-liner questions (not always stupid or wrong, but silly and often beating dead horses e.g. "dub vs. sub," "what's your favorite title," etc.), and rarely, if ever, come back to check responses of their own questions/threads. You have proved that you are not one of them, so worry not. *Some veterans are no less annoying than clueless newbies, but many of them do know where the line is and don't cross them carelessly as newbies do. |
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undeadben
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Perhaps this and a modified version of the article dormcat posted are something that can be added to the first post in the general question topic. Place it right near the top before the list of FAQs. Although I doubt anyone ever bothers to read that either as a lot of the questions people ask can actually be answered in that post, or at least be lead in the right direction.
Actually not many of the stickies seem to be read anyway, as people still start threads introducing themselves, asking for downloads and recommendations, or start new "what's your favorite anime" and "please identify this anime" topics, as well as new threads asking for many of the same questions answered by both the first post in the 'general anime questions' as well as the 'all your discussion threads' topics. I cringe when I think about all the time frentymon probably took finding the majority of those threads, and still spends organizing that topic, whenever someone asks if there are any other topics about ____ anime or by first saying they didn't find any other ____ topics. It took me a couple hours to find threads for just two measly series. |
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Keonyn
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[quote]Because it is true. Past experiences told us that during spring, summer, and winter (holiday) breaks there were surges of newly registered users, asking silly, often one-liner questions (not always stupid or wrong, but silly and often beating dead horses e.g. "dub vs. sub," "what's your favorite title," etc.).../quote]
Don't forget the inevitable "which anime character would you date?" threads. Stickies don't seem to do much good though, a lot of people just jump right in and ignore them and the front page is already cluttered with stickies as it is. If such a thing were to be added it should just be added to the rules or an already present sticky thread. Unfortunately there's not that much more ANN can do that it isn't already doing, a lot of it falls on the shoulders of the users who are making those posts and their inability to read the rules and use common sense. The biggest problem lately though has been the spam, even with the board filtering out links and marking them as spam they still cause a great deal of clutter, especially in the early hours. Has been a little better the past week or so though at least. |
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Lord Kefka
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That's fine. It's one reason I left Gamefaqs message board in search of a new posting home because we periodically get people who post even worse topics than the mentioned, "Dub vs Subbed", and into topics about "post your sexy loli pics" and "my sister saw my hentai collection" etc etc. It's just the first sentence that I read from the topic creator that raised my eyebrow and the poor word choice that was used primarily "noob". Zalis and dormcat actually used the correct and none derogatory choice of word which is "newbie" meaning basically inexperience and prone to making mistakes due to misguidance or whatever .I think it's wise to correctly choose between the two words and not give everyone a misconception. I'm not taking it personally and this is a good idea if it can be modified a little further to exclude generalities that could create some ambiguity when creating topics in the future.
And the spam topics can be deleted because the mods and admins should have the ability to do so. I mean. It's impossible to stop them completely because spambots do the work. Only possible thing to do is IP ban them. Last edited by Lord Kefka on Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:49 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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drakonslair
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I agree with what is being said but I was interested in one thing.
Would it be possible to have a Genre sticky, a kind of if you like [insert anime here] you might want to check out [another anime]"? I've been tempted to ask that a number of times but didn't know if it fit within the rules as it might derail the thread. Plus that whole no recommendation threads at the moment. P.S. posted here as its less offtopic than elsewhere or starting a new thread. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Genre search and/or a recommendation system have been suggested many, many times, if not THE most wanted feature in the new version of the Encyclopedia. Right now, Cookie's thread opener acts as a brief one, and for the time being one can visit Anime-Planet and try its peer review-based recommendation database. |
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drakonslair
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Thanks for the info. The anime planet recommendation database is very helpful. |
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CGord
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I think n00bs should not be allowed to post until they have about 25 posts, so we can skip their learning curve.
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frentymon
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You mean make threads? |
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Steve Berry
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What amazes me is that that exact question is being asked, despite the sticky re: anime recommendations. Although I've always thought that sticky title was a bit vague-- where as something like "Helpful Anime Recommendation Search Engines and Review Sites" seemed more appropriate to me. Still-- that's a bit of a mouthful too. I also wonder whether these are ever used.
As for having another sticky-- I've gotta say-- this board already feels like a quarter of the first page is stickies. It's a bit intimidating, frankly. I think adding to the list would be more of a deterrent to reading them, than to using them. Just my 2 cents of course. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I would assume that is what s/he meant. Otherwise, you would never be able to post. The problem with this suggestion, as has been said before, is it just encourages people to spam other threads before they make their thread. |
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Lord Kefka
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Having too many stickies will probably make people lose interest in posting. Besides, what's the point of a forum if everything is already pre-written for you to look at. I think some people are forgetting why we post in message boards.
Only the fundamental issues and topics should be stickied in my opinion. If people are to participate in regular posting, they have to be able to learn from their own mistakes without being crticized. Which leads into this:
I would say something but I'm afraid the mod would see it to be too pathetic. All I'll say is this. No one is automatically going to do the right thing in forums. But this also doesn't mean they aren't willing to learn from their mistakes. Saying anyone who shouldn't be able to make threads automatically means you are being too judgemental and looking at only the status of the user. This is a dumb mistake as a random new user can possibly contribute as much as the people who have been posting here for a while. It's not only a matter of time one spends on a forum but also a matter of consideration in what they post. If you are going judge people so low and shallow as to say no one under 25 posts can make topics then I don't think you are fit to post in this forum. That remark is the lowest of them all. [/quote] ps. If some of you can not distinguish "newb" and "n00b, noob, nub, nooblet..etc etc" best go look at an online dictionary. You sound very ignorant since no new user can automatically be a "noob" unless they whole-heartedly try their best to be one. |
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