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The YouTube Fansub Alert- Why Now?


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haruhifan1200



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:54 pm Reply with quote
It wasn't too long ago when several Japanese companies ordered YouTube to take off over 30,000 clips of anime and Japanese TV. The founders of YouTube recently went to Japan to have a meeting with them.
So why is it just now that Japanese companies are going after fansubs and the like? It's been all over BitTorrent for years, and the Japanese (I believe) can get on there, too. So what's the reasoning behind going after YouTube, and not other places abundant with fansubs and have been around even loger than them?
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drakonslair



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:57 pm Reply with quote
haruhifan1200 wrote:
It wasn't too long ago when several Japanese companies ordered YouTube to take off over 30,000 clips of anime and Japanese TV. The founders of YouTube recently went to Japan to have a meeting with them.
So why is it just now that Japanese companies are going after fansubs and the like? It's been all over BitTorrent for years, and the Japanese (I believe) can get on there, too. So what's the reasoning behind going after YouTube, and not other places abundant with fansubs and have been around even loger than them?
Haruhifan1200


They were bought by Google is the one Im going to go with.

Its not profitable to shut down BT/XDCC/Fansubbers in general I imagine.

Google is a bit of a different beast to deal with along with a number of other tv shows etc doing similar recently.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:08 pm Reply with quote
haruhifan1200 wrote:
It wasn't too long ago when several Japanese companies ordered YouTube to take off over 30,000 clips of anime and Japanese TV. The founders of YouTube recently went to Japan to have a meeting with them.
So why is it just now that Japanese companies are going after fansubs and the like? It's been all over BitTorrent for years, and the Japanese (I believe) can get on there, too. So what's the reasoning behind going after YouTube, and not other places abundant with fansubs and have been around even loger than them?
Haruhifan1200
It's simple really. Now Youtube has an address for them to send a cease and desist order to, where as before it was just another renegade free for all site using several host servers to avoid tracing. Google is not about to vanish on one server, then reappear with a different name on a different server.
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Azathrael



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:09 pm Reply with quote
Simply, it'd be much easier to go after one website hosting Japanese video clips than thousands of individual fansites.

Besides, I thought most of the 30,000 clips were Japanese TV show programs like Utaban and Hey Hey Hey, not anime. But it's not like they're completely gone; they just reappeared after they were removed. Youtube's doing a less than decent job with the prevention part.
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Zoe



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:51 pm Reply with quote
haruhifan1200 wrote:
So why is it just now that Japanese companies are going after fansubs and the like?


They're not. This has nothing to do with fansubs--it's about Japanese TV content in general.
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Kouji



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:51 pm Reply with quote
What I'm wondering is how did Youtube last as long as it did before it finally got some attention from the industries?
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:53 pm Reply with quote
And for music copyright content as well. I guess the Japanese are very concerned about their copyright material being pirated at all. JASRAC still hasn't let off the pressure against Youtube yet.
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omar235



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:08 am Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
What I'm wondering is how did Youtube last as long as it did before it finally got some attention from the industries?


I suppose it is not so much that they are just now giving it attention but that it is now part of google and it is easier to get them now:

Mohawk52 wrote:
Now Youtube has an address for them to send a cease and desist order to, where as before it was just another renegade free for all site using several host servers to avoid tracing.
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one3rd



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:34 am Reply with quote
It's not so much because of fansubs, but more because it's a popular site for watching pirated anime in Japan. If you've read any of the news on it, you'll note that the Japanese companies have demanded that a warning be posted in Japanese about copyrighted material.
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blind_assassin



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:40 am Reply with quote
Azathrael wrote:
Youtube's doing a less than decent job with the prevention part.


The results of what they're doing are pretty poor but they have fairly limited options. Since youtubes basis is sharing random videos and stuff there is no possible way to screen every file submitted. They just have to kill them as they pop-up or ruin themselves with a thankless job of micromanagement over every file that comes in. Controlling content on a site like youtube is like bailing out the ocean with a tea cup. With enough manpower it could theoretically be done but who's going to bother?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:21 am Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
What I'm wondering is how did Youtube last as long as it did before it finally got some attention from the industries?


This whole thing about going after Japanese television clips & anime on Youtube is hardly new, this is just the biggest single motion towards it. Anime licensors have gone through Youtube in the past having anime fansubs pulled, though the effect it had was exceedingly temporary (I believe I saw somewhere that there are an average of 70,000 videos uploaded to Youtube daily, making it hard to keep any anti-piracy measures permanent).
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Abarenbo Shogun



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:28 am Reply with quote
blind_assassin wrote:

The results of what they're doing are pretty poor but they have fairly limited options. Since youtubes basis is sharing random videos and stuff there is no possible way to screen every file submitted. They just have to kill them as they pop-up or ruin themselves with a thankless job of micromanagement over every file that comes in. Controlling content on a site like youtube is like bailing out the ocean with a tea cup. With enough manpower it could theoretically be done but who's going to bother?


Plus it's very hard to "report" violations. The time I spend on YouTube, I could easily ID 125 copyright infringement clips for YouTube to look at and decide whether to delete or keep per day. Most of them as I look for new music to find and listen.

If they had an option where users can just "This clip might be copyright infringement, please look" that coudl help. But seeing that you need to be the license holder to have such power, it's a moot point.

Heck, I don't see why the copyright holders don't just do a trade. I'd gladly spend some nights to get freebies like LE Box Sets a/or free DVD's by sending them lists of potential copyright infringements.
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Gauss



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:30 am Reply with quote
Alright people, this is old news. So old it happened before Google bought YouTube. It concerned Japanese content in general, everything from music videos to TV shows (regular and anime). They haven't specifically gone after fansubs. If they wanted to stop fansubs they would go straight for the source, the fansubbers. When people upload fansubs to YouTube the episodes are automatically turned into crappy low-rez versions of what the groups release. In that sense it's hardly worth going after fansubs through YouTube. But what stuck in the craw of Japanese content producers was three things:

1. The sheer concentration and easy availability of massive amounts of Japanese content.
2. YouTube becoming one of the few English speaking sites that attracted a huge Japanese following.
3. The site and its popularity prominently featured in Japanese news.

In short, they're not going after fansubs, they didn't even sue YouTube, so stop worrying and learn to love the bomb.
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AirCooledMan_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:48 pm Reply with quote
Zoe wrote:
haruhifan1200 wrote:
So why is it just now that Japanese companies are going after fansubs and the like?


They're not. This has nothing to do with fansubs--it's about Japanese TV content in general.


People will keep uploading it no matter what.
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Kirkdawg
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I always can't help but smile when I read the little note fan subbers leave "Please stop distribuiting when this anime is licensed". Good luck with that Rolling Eyes .I'm probably one of the worst when it comes to pirating anime, I must confess it. Although, it is a good point to note that the people who do make anime are in it for the money. If they stop getting the money they want, then the good shows they produce will also just randomly stop. Eh, I might convince myself someday to buy a few DVDs of some of my favorites... Shocked
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