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NEWS: 30% of Adult Manga involve "Children and Sexual Intercourse"

the person downloading the video isn't harming any children, therefore they aren't doing anything wrong because if people aren't harming real child while being aroused, it's ok.

Fine lets put it this way, no one in the U.S. has been arrested just because of loli hentai. ...because they had loli hentai in their house

People shouldn't think like that, so let's delete any material that makes them even have one thought like that.

Oh wait. That guy there's jerking off to an episode of Powerpuff GIrls. We need to ban that. That guy there is jerking off to a photo of Dakota Fanning on the Charlotte's Web poster. Let's ban all those posters because some guy gets off to it.

Plus we have that horrible book Lolita. All those crazy pedophiles call it a calssic. That needs to go on the burn pile as well.

/end sarcasm

O.K. Do you see how your comment there doesn't actually work?! You can just go around banning fictional material because someone gets off to it. You can't just ban something because you think it gives people impure thoughts. You'd have nothing left but bare walls.

Like I said, the real pedophiles will just find material to get off on. The real pedophiles will still unfortunatley hurt children. Going after cartoons and monitoring what people get off to isn't going to stop that. That, the actual abuse, certainly needs to be stopped.

Crime rates can be misinterpreted, the first thing I stated in the sentence you quote.

The point about Japan having a lower pedophile rate can be misinterpreted. Peru has a lower rape rate than Canada, but if a man rapes a woman and he marrys her, it isn't concidered rape. Men would threaten to kill the victims family if she doesn't marry him, therefore Peru is presumed to have a low rape rate, when in reality it isn't true.

Power Puff Girls is a childrens show, which isn't pornographic. Lolihentai on the otherhand, is ment for the readers to become aroused. If someone gets aroused over non-pornographic material, that is their problem, not the creators. The creators made it for children entertainment, not for adults to get off on it.

Power Puff Girls is a childrens show, which isn't pornographic. Lolihentai on the otherhand, is ment for the readers to become aroused. If someone gets aroused over non-pornographic material, that is their problem, not the creators. The creators made it for children entertainment, not for adults to get off on it.

While some person may get gunned down on the street, the victim's family, relatives and friends usually like to move on, some like to wait until the criminal who caused them grief is brought to Justice, and the victim will most likely get a cozzy coffin.

However, with rapes and such, the problem is that victims usually live through the experience and survive, and they don't forget. Their relatives don't forget, their friends don't forget, their partners are always reminded of those events. The victims and those around them are constantly reminded what can happen to them (again), and they don't want to go through these experiences again or relive them. They also don't want to be reminded of them in any way.

well then explain how these other so-called childrens (or shoujo) programs like (mild fanservice --> *shudder*):
Cardcaptor Sakura, Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch, Toyko Mew Mew, Ichigo Mashimaro (it's funny, but i cannot get past how creepy it gets).

Fan service is the act of adding something with no direct relevance to the story or character development into an anime (or manga) for the purpose of pleasing fans.

burzmali wrote:

Sure a child was harmed to make the CP, but a child MIGHT have been harmed to make the loli.

And that right there is the difference. A real child COULD, in theory, be used to 'model' for cartoon child porn. Perhaps it has happened, but its not inherent in the material and would have to be proven, in which case the creator should be arrested and charged with all applicable crimes and his works removed from the shelves. That would still be a rare exception, not the rule or a requirement.

Fine lets put it this way, no one in the U.S. has been arrested just because of loli hentai.

Since you also agree this is also directed at you burzmali. Downloading real child porn may not be hurting real children directly but you are supporting something that did harm real children while watching loli isn't supporting real child abuse since the characters in it aren't real and the ones who produce it didn't harm any children.

Mr. Whorley would disagree with you, his arrest was based on the loli images he was seen downloading, and his conviction was only for the loli. The government could have hit him for the rest, but getting 20 years for the loli was plenty.

Whorley was convicted for receiving both "…twenty obscene Japanese anime cartoons that graphically depicted prepubesecent female children being forced to engage in genital-genital and oral-genital intercourse with adult males." and "…fourteen digital photographs of actual children engaging in sexually explicit conduct." and "…sending and receiving twenty obscene E-mails which graphically described, among other things, parents sexually molesting their own children." [2][3]

A jury convicted him on 74 counts of child pornography charges. He was sentenced on March 10, 2006 to 20 years in prison and a fine of $7,400.

How is that different from my drunk driving example above? You COULD get in an accident and kill someone, or maybe you won't.

If CP is illegal because a child was harmed to create it, then a loli manga created from traces of a CP image should likewise be illegal.

Now, a loli manga-ka gets a little writers block, so he busts out a little CP to help him through it, a little trace here and a little trace there, and bang he makes his publishing deadline.

So, unless a group of people who make a living drawing children getting raped have high ethical standards, at least some loli is tainted with CP. Since there is no way to tell the difference, how can you say that no child was harmed at any point in the creation of a given loli image?

Mr. Whorley would disagree with you, his arrest was based on the loli images he was seen downloading, and his conviction was only for the loli. The government could have hit him for the rest, but getting 20 years for the loli was plenty.

I guess we should ban death scenes as well, since you just can't tell if someone may have viewed a snuff film to get some inspiration. While we are at it, how do we know that someone making a basketball manga hasn't copied real (and copywrited) pictures to make it? Or what about any non-explicit sex scene between minors in romance manga? How do we know that the author didn't watch two young teens have sex for some inspiration? I guess we should just ban all of it because someone might decide to get some 'inspiration' a break a law or two in the process. After all, how can you tell?

Go find someone that did it, prove it, and let the prosecution begin. I've never heard of this happening. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all, but it does mean that it is extremely rare. Rare to the point of being practically non-existant.

well then explain how these other so-called childrens (or shoujo) programs like (mild fanservice --> *shudder*):
Cardcaptor Sakura, Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch, Toyko Mew Mew, Ichigo Mashimaro (it's funny, but i cannot get past how creepy it gets).

or how about anime targeted for adult audiences showing children/teens (mild fanservice --> *shudder*):
Azumanga Daioh, Pani Poni Dash, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai, Di Gi Charat, Nurse Witch Komugi, Tonagura, Popotan, Ichigo Mashimaro...

let's not even get into hilariously unintentional phallic symbols or short skirts and thigh-high stockings, school girl uniforms, bloomers, and swimsuits. it's not intentional, is it? there are anime that is tailor-made for otakus under the guise of "slice of life" or basically showing children in adult oriented humor, whether sexual in nature or not. or those "shoujo" anime that's obviously for fanservice, not for kids. but they show fanservice just as much as Burn Up W

No, the point is that pedophiles will jerk off it anyways, be it porn or no. The side against lolicon/shotacon is saying that jerking off to the material is the main reason why lolicon should be banned and/or wrong.

The details of his conviction is:

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Snipped looting of Wiki

Not just anime was cited, regardless he is also a convicted sex offender and allowing him to promote the behaviour through real pictures or drawn should not be allowed based on his history.

burzmali wrote:

How is that different from my drunk driving example above? You COULD get in an accident and kill someone, or maybe you won't.

Several ways. Your drunk driving example is an issue of causality. That's not what we are talking about right now. In addition, alcohol has direct and short term physical effects that can be measured. If you drink alcohol, it WILL have an effect.

burzmali wrote:

Now, a loli manga-ka gets a little writers block, so he busts out a little CP to help him through it, a little trace here and a little trace there, and bang he makes his publishing deadline.

Or he uses one of the other legal sources I mentioned before. And if he is being payed to produce loli hentai, then I think its safe to say he already knows how to draw it. Honestly, this argument is stupid. Someone drawing loli hentai has almost certainly seen tons of it already.

Also for those of you who may wonder how on earth they make loli without someone looking at real children all you have to do is take a women over the legal age and shrink the sizes down to something a child would have. I am only saying this because I get the feeling this is not getting across to some people.