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You Hate Hentai?! Why?


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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:13 am Reply with quote
I don't actually hate them unless they are loli, or blatantly abusive and violent. Yaoi, is a complete non event. Yuri use to interest me in my younger days only because deep inside I'm a lesbian in a mans body. But that's all just an experience for the inexperienced, and after nearly 30 years of marrage producing two children, I think I got the idea by now. Beside no pencil drawing with colour will ever do once one has felt hot flesh and blood. Wink
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mapi



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:23 am Reply with quote
hentai is gross and is for perverts that don't know how to talk to girls. I'm sorry, but it's the truth and it must be said. I'm a big fan of anime but that doesn't prevent me from having a social life
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Darth_Blade



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:50 am Reply with quote
mapi wrote:
hentai is gross and is for perverts that don't know how to talk to girls. I'm sorry, but it's the truth and it must be said. I'm a big fan of anime but that doesn't prevent me from having a social life


As a pervert who doesn't know how to talk to girls, I am offended! I demand your apologies and claim that your point of view is stereotypical, stupid and wrong! %)
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Azathrael



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:58 am Reply with quote
selenta wrote:

Sorry, that's not how proofs work. If you wish to make a claim (say that watching depraved hentai causes people to commit such acts), then you must provide statistical and scientifically sound evidence to support your claim. It is not the doubter's responsibility to disprove an unproven claim. There is no evidence that I have ever seen to support such a claim, every study I've seen (which are admittedly rarely in such a scientifically sound and large scale to truly show the big picture) shows no such correlation. Individual cases (of extremely questionably valid cause and effect reasoning) are in no way a 'proof' of any shape or form.


I made those statements out of the stuff I learned out of sociology class in high school. Ever heard of Freud and the concept of ID? That's exactly what I'm referring to. But on the other hand, I'm not making a definitive statement either, only applying the theories of Freud into this discussion. I'm taking the stance first so you make it look as if I'm stating something solid, while I'm equally asking someone else to prove themselves to disprove what I've said. In the end, you haven't stated anything solid to begin with and only nitpick at other people's posts, so I simply won't bother with you after this.

The Frankman wrote:
Actually the latest government study posted said their isn't conclusive proof linking the two, and it's actually the stance of a lot more than young adults I can tell you that. I'd post the link but I'd be going way OT.


That's exactly my point. That just restates my point of not "accepting something either way as long as the possibility of consequence exists".

The Frankman wrote:
Let me discuss this for a sec. I hope that's a opinion you share only for this discussion, because I don't see how mankind would progress with anything. You expect people not to decide until it's decided whether or not harm exists? How about the 13-year old whose mother didn't want her daughter reading Peach Girl? She (and apparently a good portion of her town) thought there was harm in that, so do we not accept reading "risque" shojo manga like they did? Technically one can find hidden dangers in many common activities, but we still do them anyway. And then what kind of "consequence" do you mean? Personal? Public? I'm interested in cotinuing this via PMs if u want.


I see that the statement in bold is followed by a lot of agreeing posts. Seeing as how that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen, let me throw a question at you: Has mankind not progressed? If you think practically for a moment instead of trying to create a completely irrational and impractical counter-thesis to anything I say, you will realize that hentai still exists, sex and violence on TV still exists, and violent video games still exists. You, as well as Darth_Blade and PantsGoblin are simply taking the entire discussion out of the context of reality and questioning the wording of the sentence itself.

blind_assassin, take this as a friendly piece of advice: stop posting. Not only am I ignoring everything you wrote since your first post, I will not even attempt to insult you back for anything. I don't think this thread is one where I would argue with teenagers. If you must insist on having yourself ignored and look completely useless to the discussion of this thread, feel free to continue.

Overall, I think I made my point clearly and cohesively. That ridiculous statement and the following comments about human progress just completely turned me off on this discussion. What an example of intellectual regression. I'm done for now, unless someone posts something that actually makes me think instead of making me repeat the same point over and over again.
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bluepita



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:17 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:

Boy, that's a sure different method from how my parents raised me. Seeing as my parents are devout Christians (especially my mom, who crusades against sex out of marriage), they kept porn away from us kids but told us about sex and STD's and all that. Even now everytime something about sex comes up (sickening what comes up in the news, REALLY) she makes a speech to us about sex and keeping ourselves pure and all that.


Lol, well my daughter's eight. I don't let her watch anything involving sex at all right now. While we talk frankly about things like that all the time, I am realistic enough to know that the odds are with her having sex before she gets married, probably before she graduates high school. I don't even have a problem with it as long as she waits until she is emotionally mature enough to handle it. However, given the risks involved, I think porn is the safer way to go. Wink


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naruto fan 09812



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:25 pm Reply with quote
You guys do not understands how porn and hentai has a major affect on a rapist. And there for all hentai and porn should be ban.
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dormcat
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:28 pm Reply with quote
naruto fan 09812 wrote:
You guys do not understands how porn and hentai has a major affect on a rapist. And there for all hentai and porn should be ban.

Alcohol kills/hurts/damages many more than porn/hentai do. Back to the Prohibition Era, shall we? Rolling Eyes
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cheezisgoooood



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:34 pm Reply with quote
I don't watch anime for hentai at all but even I can tell the naruto fan 668 or whatever the hell his name is should shut it.
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Enjeru



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:39 pm Reply with quote
_I think it is safe to say that most of us agree to disagree. As I stated before, I do not consider myself a fan of hentai, but in no way am I going to condem anyone who watches it. The agrument that hentai turns good upstanding citizens into walking rape machines is just silly. Just as the argument that makes would-be rapists turn the dark corner and take action is just crazy as well. We are surrounded by violence and crime, and this isn't even from the streets. It is on the little box that most of us stare at for several hours a day. I would challenge anyone to turn on the television during prime-time hours on a major network and tell me that they found a show that made no mention of murder, rape, robbery, or some other crime against another human being. Video games are also filled with ultra-violence and other harsh suggestive themes. Even the cartoons we grew up with have themes that "could be taken to the next level". Yet I don't hear people running around saying that they became a cross-dresser because they saw Bugs Bunny do it. Or has there been a huge spike in deaths by anvils after a loony tunes marathon.
Calling people perverts because they watch hentai is another subject. Deep down we are all perverts. You can deny it all you want, but it won't do any good. There is not a pure one among us. Some are at different levels, and some are better at hiding it.
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naruto fan 09812



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:43 pm Reply with quote
cheezisgoooood wrote:
I don't watch anime for hentai at all but even I can tell the naruto fan 668 or whatever the hell his name is should shut it.
Who the hell you think you are? Next time think before you speak.
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frostedsaiyan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:08 pm Reply with quote
I can think of a few reasons why people or society think hentai is wrong, as well as live action pornography. The main reason though ties into religious beliefs. For example, in Christianity pornography or hentai is considered bad because it causes lust. To me, that seems like the main issue people stray away from the two.

naruto fan 09812
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You guys do not understands how porn and hentai has a major affect on a rapist. And there for all hentai and porn should be ban.


You could apply this to a lot of things and consider them all a terrible influence on a human, physically and mentally. For example, you can say games should be banned using your theory because a lot of people could develop criminal thoughts from playing too much Grand Theft Auto, and try to murder or rob someone, etc. I think violent and sexual material surround us at all times and it's our responsibility not to become the violent things we see. I think hentai is bad material but from a religious view. Other then that, it's basically just a bunch of people with raging hormones running around to scrounge up cheap hentai dvds for the night. Rolling Eyes


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Darth_Blade



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:13 pm Reply with quote
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you will realize that hentai still exists, sex and violence on TV still exists, and violent video games still exists


And they shouldn't because...? You've yet to state ANYTHING to support your point. And no, appealing to morals is not supporting your point - give me facts, please.

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You, as well as Darth_Blade and PantsGoblin are simply taking the entire discussion out of the context


O, wise one, direct me unto the righteous path. For you say that I have erred in my judgement, but I say that I did so not out of evil intent, but out of ignorance.
Seriously, if you say that an unstable man killing people with frying pans is different from an unstable man committing rape after watching hentai, point out the difference. I don't see one, except a different positions of hentai and frying pans in your system of morals.

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You guys do not understands how porn and hentai has a major affect on a rapist.


No, no I don't understand at all. Care to enlighten me?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:21 pm Reply with quote
Okey-dokey, as predicted the thread is now starting to deteriorate into personal attacks and flaming. I've recieved several reports that also concur, so I'm going to lock this now.
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