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bluepita
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I know this is way late, and the thread is past it. I just can't help myself. Dear God. I'd like to see what happened should a man tell me I should scoot over there and fulfill his needs, lol. Men have needs...it's like a bad Growing Pains episode. This arguement kills me. It's bad to watch sex but good to have sex? I didn't realize those were the rules. Now I don't have anything against sex, but naruto fan you do realize that having sex puts both partners at risk of STDs and children, right?? I mean, given the choice, when my daughter is older, I'd sure the hell rather her watch porn, real or animated, than have sex. |
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blind_assassin
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Exactly the point of my rant. Though you're a bigger person than me for being able to limit it to two lines that don't include swearing. |
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tru-alucard
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0.0 that's actualy a very good arguement, i'd rather sex hold some value (altho it's becomeing more of an entertainment) and someone go watch porn/hentai or w/e floats their boat, because that'd lower std transfer rates, unwanted children birth rates, and most importantly, leave alot more people without that feeling of being used after the guy "is done with them"(and anyone who thinks that a girlfiend is there to "satisfy the mans needs" should be smacked.) i'll admit i've watched hentai, and as stated in the original post, most of it is about rape and such, but the ones without the alien tenticals, rape, pedofilia, and other less attractive qualities are what i find interesting. basic what the naruto kid is argueing is that because he personaly dosnt like it, it should go away, yet in that same vein i'm sure some of the people he/she knows dosnt like him/her, but does that mean he/she should go away? hentai is just like any other entertainment, if you dont like it, deal with it and find something else. not everyone enjoys naruto, but should it go away, no. not everyone likes playing zelda, but should they stop making the games, no. in this world people are given this little thing called free will, it's the ability to choose what you do and do not like among other things. my advice is to use this "free will" and find something you do like insted of trying to convince people that they're wrong/immoral/dirty/ect. just because you dont happen to agree with them. if you really need something to complain about, why dont you complain about the fact that people exist in this day and age who try to force their own way of thinking on the masses. and before you say anything, this thread was not to push one persons feelings onto others, it was a simple rationalization and question, however your "opinion" is trying to make us feel wrong in some way for watching it. altho normaly i'd say everyones opinion is just as valuable as the next, i do wish that naruto fan would think before typeing, because when you say things with no backing and no explination other then your feelings on it, it just makes you look stupid... i've made my peace (and i know my spelling is bad, it's been a long day), and now i'll leave it to whoever else wants to put in their opinion |
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Azathrael
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I don't consider porn to be degrading at all. I have been very careful to include the phrase "pedophile/rape" before almost every usage of the word "hentai" so that I'm referring to a specific kind of hentai that is degrading in the fact that it is pedophilia and/or rape (Just one more thing blind_assassin failed to understand and thought I was "trying to prove that all hentai is rape and pedophilia"). And I don't mind the preference of individuals who decide to watch hentai or not, but if it leads to the possibility of being influenced to commit rape or child molestation in real life, then it is something that shouldn't be dismissed as a whole just because the act of watching it or not is someone's preference to do so. Like when Unit 731 in Japan forced soldiers to watch the brutal killings of animals and eventually Chinese victims in order to dehumanize them (making them "perfect" soldiers). If watching that was a personal preference, would society dismiss it as a personal preference of the individual, even after disregarding the fact that innocent lives were taken during the process? The consequences of watching something should be taken into consideration for society to deem the act of watching it to be conventional/moral or not.
If I understand you correctly, you're trying to say that some people (especially those who've never seen hentai before) think animated sex is not really "sex" or "pornography" at all, but something perverted. To address Naruto fans in particular, many foreign fans list their first anime as Naruto (or FMA) so they may not be open to the entire anime/hentai culture as much as others. Getting back to the point, I don't see how stigmas and morals are irrelevant or useless. Isn't it opposites sides of conventions and morals that have people accepting or denouncing hentai in the first place? As much as I'm open to hentai because I've been exposed to Japanese culture, someone else will be equally closed about it because of their lack of exposure. The argument is not that they're irrelevant, but that they're opposing backgrounds of why people are for or against hentai in the first place. As an example, the opposite of your argument is "there is no realistic reason why cartoons having sex is right". This question would bring about the two opposing stigmas and morals about hentai, so you can't dismiss them as being irrelevant. If people simply accepted your statement (there is no realistic reason why cartoons having sex is wrong), then all they're doing is conforming to your stigmas and morals because it's not a simple matter of being open-minded about it (because obviously some people have a problem with it and have argued with you about it in the past).
I invite anyone (obviously not you) with decent-or-above knowledge of psychology or sociology to counter-argue anything I've said in that post. Or provide statistical fact over the entire existence of pedophile/rape hentai that there hasn't been a single case of real life crime due to the influence of such hentai, at least so far. I'd present very nice articles about how some man or woman raped or molested a child after watching too much pedophile/rape hentai but it'd be so easy, I'm just not bothering with it. Oh and I can go on and on about comfort women during and after WWII, which serves as great examples to everything I've said above with the addition to the fact that those soldiers were simply thinking about sex (not even watching anything that influenced them to think that way) but it's not really related to anime and from what you've said so far, you're not worth that much time impressing to begin with. /An eye for an eye |
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omar235
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Now did they say this or did the docters say this, if they did they are only doing what many do and try to blame a media for there problems. If a docter said this then please show some data I am interested in what they said. Again though I don't really understand what you are getting at with the chinese soldier thing, I mean watching a REAL person get butchered over and over again is mentally damaging because they are real and it is really happening. No one said that people weren't influneced by stuff in anime (or any media) it's just that we all are fully cabable of making decisions are ourselves (unless they have mental problems in which media can't be blamed) . That aside people seem to think that watching anime lessens the impact of a event depicted in that anime but it doesn't since it happening in real life is way diffrent as you know. And yes there has been plenty of rapes and pedophiles out there before people here in the states even knew about hentai or anime. Besides there is plenty of cases of gangsters raping kids and women with no knowledge of anime at all, but like you I just won't bother with it cause it is getting late and I am to tired to do it I might bring up a few articles if no one else does tomarrow. Though you could probably find plenty of articles on your own. Last edited by omar235 on Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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The Frankman
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You know, I've ben ducking this thread because usually it turns pissy by page 3 or so, and it kinda started out that way. However, I wanted to illustrate this point. Take out "pedophile/rape hentai" and "hentai" and put in "violent videogames" and "games" respectively. You have a similar argument relentlessly pushed by soccer moms and Jack Thompson. Bottom line, violent videogames don't cause kids to go postal in real life, and watching hentai really does not cause men/women to be sexual predators. Now don't get me wrong, it may get uncomfortable around friends when you start bringing up "Hey, you remember in Overfiend when that babe got ripped in two?" But to make a quantum leap and saying people will turn into a rape machine from watching a tad too much Slave Market? Can't see that... |
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Azathrael
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Good point, and it's not something I haven't considered. I did try to bring that up myself, but it was off-topic. I am willing to make the same point for violent video games, and even sex and violence on TV - I just won't do it here. But just to make my stance clear, your statement (which is probably the primary stance of young adults) is just as much media hype and baseless, meaningless words as the parents who say the opposite. Like I said about pedophile/rape hentai, I don't care about the independence of choice, but if the possibility of certain consequences exists then I won't dismiss it in either direction. And the only quantum leap that's being made is by you, who took my arguments and one-sided it without considering all my points. I have been and continue to be very neutral in my statements. My entire point in everything here has been about "don't accept it either way as long as the possibility of consequence exists". Because for some reason, so many people think they've got the entire truth of an issue like violent video games being related or unrelated to the increase of youth violence when there are so many factors to consider. What's worse is when they think their limited reasoning is somehow true because a majority comes to agree on a few similar points. That generalizes an entire social issue into two sides: yes or no. Then people are not arguing the factors, they're arguing the side. I'm not going to sit here and cry that you're all wrong, I'm only going to keep re-emphasizing the point that the need to consider the factors are more important than the need to assert a side. |
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selenta
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Just as an added comment to what frankman said:
Sorry, that's not how proofs work. If you wish to make a claim (say that watching depraved hentai causes people to commit such acts), then you must provide statistical and scientifically sound evidence to support your claim. It is not the doubter's responsibility to disprove an unproven claim. There is no evidence that I have ever seen to support such a claim, every study I've seen (which are admittedly rarely in such a scientifically sound and large scale to truly show the big picture) shows no such correlation. Individual cases (of extremely questionably valid cause and effect reasoning) are in no way a 'proof' of any shape or form. EDIT: Sorry, but if you do agree with Jack Thompson, I would greatly appreciate it if you would just say so. It would make this conversation a lot easier, in that it would allow me to just walk away knowing that I have proven my point sufficiently to all but the most irrational people. Otherwise I'll be forced to keep trying for a while as I am very stubborn in my ethics. Last edited by selenta on Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Cloe
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Why, thank you. Nothing helps spread the festive holiday spirit more than arguing about porn. 
Seriously, people. Why not embrace the spirit the holiday is supposed to represent and celebrate each other's differences instead of putting such a negative spin on everything? Hentai watcher or not, it's certainly not my place (or anyone else's) to dictate what's wrong or right about someone's sex habits, and even a teeny little bit of tolerance goes a long way. For both sides of this argument. |
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The Frankman
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Actually the latest government study posted said their isn't conclusive proof linking the two, and it's actually the stance of a lot more than young adults I can tell you that. I'd post the link but I'd be going way OT.
Let me discuss this for a sec. I hope that's a opinion you share only for this discussion, because I don't see how mankind would progress with anything. You expect people not to decide until it's decided whether or not harm exists? How about the 13-year old whose mother didn't want her daughter reading Peach Girl? She (and apparently a good portion of her town) thought there was harm in that, so do we not accept reading "risque" shojo manga like they did? Technically one can find hidden dangers in many common activities, but we still do them anyway. And then what kind of "consequence" do you mean? Personal? Public? I'm interested in cotinuing this via PMs if u want. Personally I treat most animation the same - I'm somewhat interested until I read/hear/watch see something that I don't like about it, and often hentai does fall into that category. However, it doesn't mean there aren't hentai out there that have no appeal OUTSIDE of the fact it's "AWWW SIITTTT! SHE NEKKID!" Heck , there are storylines in hentai out there better than most "legit anime", and I enjoy watching them. In fact those are my favorites, ones where the storyline/animation is so good and isn't reliant on sex that it can stand alone as a title without it. *sigh* Look, in a nutshell I feel people can watch anything. It may make you unpopular or creepy or whatever, but I'd fear the rapist more than the person with the laminated collection of Inma Seiden or Oddly Boyish Nanny Teacher 2 or something. EDIT: Regarding my feelings about Jack Thompson, I think he needs to take the copy out GTA: SA out his nethers. |
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blind_assassin
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Azathrael, you have possibly the most irritating way of arguing I've ever seen on the net. You aren't just vague, or unrelenting, or hypocritical, or closed-minded, you're everything at once. You keep stating yourself as fact and then saying things are only slightly related and act as if they're completely analogus and thus act like whoever disagrees has some obligation to disprove unrelated historical facts before you'll acknowledge them beyond a simple referal to a previous statement of yours. And each time you do so you find the most condescending way to phrase it and then make yourself into a hypocrite by telling other people to read all the other points and not make one-sided statements.
Were it not for the fact that other people can recognize what you're doing and are arguing against you I know I'd just get fed up before managing to make any sort of point. Though since it's 1 am I'll have to post-pone my involvement in this discussion. Can't wait to see how you condescend to me in your reply after ignoring anything relevant I said. |
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Darth_Blade
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You can kill a person with a frying pan. Does that mean that "the possibility of certain consequences exists" and frying pans shouldn't be "dismissed"? |
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PantsGoblin
Subscriber Encyclopedia Editor  Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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Damn right. You know, I'm sure I can do quite a bit of damage to someone with this pen of mine. Probably poke an eye out or something... I really think all of these potentially dangerous things, so rampant in society today, shouldn't be dismissed... Let's go start a thread about pens and frying pans and how their "possibility of certain consequences exist" which should not be dismissed. ... Ya, I probably drove this point into the ground, but I found it so funny I couldn't resist. Last edited by PantsGoblin on Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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Boy, that's a sure different method from how my parents raised me. Seeing as my parents are devout Christians (especially my mom, who crusades against sex out of marriage), they kept porn away from us kids but told us about sex and STD's and all that. Even now everytime something about sex comes up (sickening what comes up in the news, REALLY) she makes a speech to us about sex and keeping ourselves pure and all that. |
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Lorraine_Kristine
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I hate it because it sounds really distorted... Like, there was this anime, in the beginning, they were like, doing it...
And the plot often doesnt make sense, it's mostly more of the act... I never watched one, but I have guy friends who have them.. I guess though, some people like it because if reality can't satisfy them, at least fantasy does.. 
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