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hentai4me
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Animefreak6969's largely innane (and now locked) thread has brought to the boil a new tirade from me.
Why?! Why on earth would you name your attacks something as thoroughly absurd as those you can find littering any number of shounen fighting series? I could understand naming them something that relates to what they are, for example if you're doing some kind of jumping kick, calling it a jumping side/turning/axe/crescent/etc kick makes sense as that's what it is. Next, why yell it out? Ever seen a boxer/kickboxer/muay thai fighter/martial artist/judoka/etc yell out what they are doing as they are doing it? There's a reason they dont...(it could be quite funny to see a boxer shouting 'straight...cross, switch to orthodox, right hook...') Finally why are these 'super' attacks such obviously telegraphed, one dimensional attacks? If this guy has just given his attack a special name, spent innumberable time 'powering up/talking it up' why does he do something so simple as a vertical up/downwards cut? Or of course anything else. When pacificts are able to point out flaws in the attack strategy you know something is wrong... Now I know the obvious answer is 'because it's cool' but is it? By and large I dont watch shounen because of things like this but those of you who do do you find this kind of thing 'cool' or would you prefer to watch your anime chars fighting in a semi-realistic way(the Kenshin OAV for example, while not perfect is a good example of semi-realistic fighting done well) Again you could point out the whole target demographic thing...but the anime companies aren't stupid, they have to know that many Otaku and the money they have is just as likely to watch and spend on their show and merchandise as those they target...so is it not only the children but also the older teens/adults who find this kind of naming cool? What about you, do you like it or loathe it? Obviously being anime fights to expect 100% realism is absurd but movie fight choreography can do it quite well so why dont we see anime style fights in this vein?: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-70319278243524456&q=martial+arts+fights |
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blind_assassin
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If the named attack is magic then it sorta makes sense since it's traditional that incantations go along with magic. Other than that it is sort of something you have to tune out, accept, or delude yourself that they are only thinking it or something. If you can't do any of those then you should either not watch shounen or just seethe with rage over it (complaining is unacceptable because it does nothing but annoy people who can cope with it or invite fanboys to flame you).
Personally, it is something I find to be minorly annoying and more pointless than anything else. It is not a big enough factor for me to not watch a t.v show or especially a genre but if the show isn't anything special then I likely would not want to put up with it. |
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selenta
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Well, I for one fit pretty darn well into the target demographic for the action anime, so here's what I think on it:
Naming the attacks has its place for dramatic impact, and is basically expected as far as I'm concerned. However, the idea of yelling out the attack everytime you go to do it (Naruto anyone?) kind of bugs me thinking about it. It doesn't really bother me that much most of the time while I'm watching, but if they ever cross the line where I start to think "wtf is this?" the show is dead to me mentally and emotionally for good, and I'll probably never enjoy the show as much ever again. The best fights are the ones where you know what moves they're doing, the choreography is excellent, and they don't have to shout out the names. My favorite shows for fights are without a doubt Tsukikage Ran (even if they're usually super super short fights) and Shura no Toki (even if the rest of the fight was terribly paced, I almost shat my pants from the sort of windmill kick done by Takato in episode 14), and every time I see a well choreographed martial arts/sword battle, my blood starts to boil. However, I absolutely despise hoaky/contrived fights and over the top actions. I sort of have a love hate relationship with Naruto on this aspect, as I hate Naruto the character and most of his fights, but I love everything else about the show. Ok, that wasn't very clear, what I meant to say was: everything has a time and place, but absolutely nothing beats a well choreographed fight scene done in a realistic manner. |
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Zalis116
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selenta
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Unless they've seen the attack before  (which actually happens way too much in shounens for that aspect to be discounted...)
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EVA fiend
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Eh, I have to admit that being a child of the 70's & watching tonnes of sentai robot shows where ALL the attacks are named, I consider it to being part & parcel of anime to be honest, be it in a giant robot show or a martial arts anime. Whether it's cool or not I have no idea.
Though I must add that I can't watch anime that has named attacks with the English dub; I've just re-watched Kannazuki no Miko, & Souma's 'war cry' for his ultimate attack "Sparkling Solar Wave of Massive Destruction" sounds really, really stupid & lame in English.
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Animefreak6969
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SWEET my thread sparked something.
Well for me, this is how i think of it, like Blind_Assasin said if its magic than its like an incantation, however even if its not magic, if its some sort of big energy based attack like the WindScar or Kamehameha Wave than i accept it as the same thing, they must need to say it to actually get the power out, take Bleach for example, for the Shinigami's Kido they have an incantation to say, if you say it ALL then its more powerful than if you just tried to shorten it or shoot it, i just make myself believe the same for ALL magic/energy/special physical attacks (ones that might make your body big or faster or multiply etc...). and the same for any big Giant Robo attack but for something like Sango's "Hiraikotsu!!"........why..?
YA!! i was slightly angry when i heard that, i definately prefer "Ninshin Koretsu...DAIGEKIHA!!!!!!" (sp?) I walked around yelling that for awhile |
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LydiaDianne
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Well, stupid attack shouts, etc. aren't just limited to Shonen series. When I first saw Sailor Moon's attack sequence in Sailor Moon S the Movie (Moon Princess Halation), I laughed my butt off. Here she was twirling the Sceptre up, down, around, behind her back and at the same time balancing on one leg and bending over backwards.
It took some time for me to get used to it and actually, I still think that it looks a bit silly and that during that time, a real villain would have already killed her or something. |
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omar235
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Like what was previously said certain attacks, mostly the energy based ones, need a name shout so you get the full experience but something like Tenjho Tenge where they shout long names gets stupid. I have learned to just go with the flow though and it has ceased to bother me.
Though the fights seem so played out and fake when they yelll out the name for every other attack.
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Animefreak6969
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those attacks and the transformations work the same, if you see em transform or attack from any other P.O.V. like another character's, then its just a flash of light and then the attack, pretty fast, its like they go into another dimension to do all that AWESOME swirling and dancing and spinning and Stripping and what-not |
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LydiaDianne
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Oh, I know. It's just at the time, and I was still fairly new to anime, it was funny as hell. |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Actually, what bugs me about these SOOPERATTACKO type of deals is how, in the time it takes for them to power up/transform/whatever, the enemy doesn't take the opportunity to land a nice gut punch and end it.
Take DBZ for example. 15 episode charge-ups not withstanding, why is it not even ONCE does the enemy uppercut Goku or one of the other Z-fighters and stop it? And isn't there like a running gag with Super Sentai fans over Zord Transformations? Like what exactly is the monster of the day doing while the Super Sentai are going thru the transformation sequence? |
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TranceLimit174
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I think a couple of things are being overlooked here.
1. Super attacks usually are not always (at least obviously) telegraphed. In anime, the pace of a battle goes much quicker in the time of the anime than it does in our experience. So while it seems like the character has 5 minutes to dodge, in terms of the story he may have just a second or two at best. A lot of the back and forth images are really just showing different angles of the same moment, and for the viewer that is much more time consuming. And even then, just because a character takes a stance there is no certainty in how they will move or even what it is they're going to do. 2. As far as naming, yes it just sounds cool. But there are also many other reasons. For one it's to give that attack an identity. If we didn't have names and explinations for attacks then they would all blend together (not to mention keeping track of them). It's kind of nice to know the difference when you hear Sekiha Tenkyoken or Hadou Ken as opposed to "well this energy ball from this show does this and then this other energy ball from this other show does this wierd little thing." In a way it makes referencing them shorter. Also if you invented a certain attack, wouldn't you want to give it a name? After all it is yours, so would you not want to add your own little flavor to it? It's no different than titling an essay you've written or a piece of artwork you made. 3. As far as attack name shouting goes, yes for one it is much more dramatic. Personally I love hearing attacks shouted rather than them just being done (this rule mainly applies to "super attacks"). It's also a way to involve the viewer and get them excited. I don't know how many times I've played a game where I just wanted to shout along with the characters ("Getter Beam!!" being a personal favorite). It sounds to me like there's also a misconception of when an attack name is shouted. Most of the time it is said while the character is attacking, not before (but this of course depends on the attack, there are exceptions such as Kage Bunshin no Jutsu). For example I can't ever recall a moment where Naruto said "Rasengan!" as he formed it. He would shout his attack as he lunged forward. Also just because someone says the name beforehand doesn't mean it will neccessarily give away how it will strike. Once again going back to Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Sure you may hear it, but do you know how many clones there will be? How about what they will do? A better example of a more ambiguous attack name would be GaoGaiGar's "Hell and Heaven." Nothing in that name indicates paralyzing the enemy before lunging forward at them. Personally I think attacks should be left untranslated. While making the translation makes sense in a lot of cases (such as Shadow Possesion Jutsu as opposed to Kage Mane no Jutsu) I'm still not a big fan of it. Plus some just do not translate well at all (I don't like the way "Dragon's Heaven Blast" sounds as I prefer Hiryu Shoten Ha). I can't accuratley remember what Sekiha Tenkyoken translates to but I recall it being something along the lines of "Sky Falling Rock Crushing Strike" or something ridiculous like that. Can you imagine hearing that in English? In any case it sounds like you're being too critical of this aspect. When you look at the big picture, all of these reasons just add up to it just adding flash, flair, and style to the show/story. Besides in my opinion it just makes everything much more epic. |
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Ohoni
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As even Gon from Hunter X Hunter knows, it's just not a special attack if you don't yell out its name.
First comes ROCK! |
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Animefreak6969
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For your Sentai thing you shoulda read my little thing a few posts up and for your DBZ thing, read the one below your post i quoted.......... then comes PAPER |
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