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Adam Wednesdays
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If we're going to be pedantic, then it's worth pointing out that "kill 10%" is the archaic definition of "decimate." It hasn't literally meant that for some time. The 2 primary definition of decimate in the dictionary is exactly how Brian used it, and "kill 10%" is listed only as a secondary, historical definition: "decimate |ˈdesəˌmāt| verb [ trans. ] (often be decimated) 1 kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of : the project would decimate the fragile wetland wilderness | the American chestnut, a species decimated by blight. • drastically reduce the strength or effectiveness of (something) : plant viruses that can decimate yields. 2 historical kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers or others) as a punishment for the whole group." As for spoilers, I think a general principle of "don't be a dick about it" should suffice. Don't go running around and blurting them out as soon as they happen with no regard for people who haven't seen it yet, and you're doing your part. And for people who want to avoid them, use caution. If you don't want to be spoiled, try to avoid places where you're likely to be. It's pretty much impossible to avoid all spoilers completely. And if people have seen things want to talk about them in meaningful ways, then that often means actually discussing what happens in them. No way around it. If being spoiled on a plot development or two ruins a story and takes away your ability to enjoy it, then I can't imagine that that story has much longevity to it anyway. It's not just what happens that matters, but why it happens, how the happening is told, and how it affects the characters. You can still enjoy all of those things. I was spoiled on episode 3 of Madoka Magica, and it didn't ruin the series for me. It's one of the things that got me interested in seeing the show in the first place. |
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kakoishii
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That's unfortunate. Hopefully that does change at some point because there's a hell of a lot in sentai's back catalog I'd actually be interested in staying up to watch rather than funi's which these days just never looks too good. I also wish they'd jump on Tiger and Bunny, I'd stay up for that too. I know everyone keeps making a point that funi isn't running the gamut on toonami's block, but imo most of the new stuff they add to the block is all funi so it makes it seem like they're totally in bed together. Bleach, FMA:B, and even technically Naruto were around before the blocks rebranding and since the rebranding a good amount of the new shows besides the CN originals are all funi shows. It would be nice to see a little more diversity. |
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Scalfin
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No, Madoka would be really dumb, It's referential to a genre Adult Swim has never aired, is targeted at the wrong demo, and doesn't even match with its current lineup. I have no idea why people think it's a good idea other than being fans. |
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bleachj0j
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Man I've been preaching Tiger and Bunny for the longest. I still don't understand why they don't jump on it. It's too perfect. Yet they somehow felt SAO was fit for the block. I don't watch many show on the block expect Symbionic Titan but I understand most of the shows they get. I'll never understand SAO instead many other shows. |
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belvadeer
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Superjail has an audience? What demographic is that so-called show for exactly? Yeesh, some people's tastes, I swear. |
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Even if he was trying to be snarky, let me get OT in this discussion of being pedantic, since I feel it's important to have accurate communication. The "archaic" definition is still in use today. When dealing in technical contexts, decimation means as Echo_City says. For example
This actually makes more sense than the current, and wrong, definition, according to its ETYMOLOGY i.e. deci = of or by 10. After all, why is the definition of decimate changed, but not "decimal" or "decimeter" or "decibel" (db is measured in powers of 10)? The problem with referring to dictionaries for definitions, at least for English, is that they do NOT function authoritatively. They function descriptively, BUT conflict arises because people treat it as authoritative sources. If enough people use the wrong definition, English dictionaries will--nay, must--reflect that. If the majority of people later define a right angle as 112 degrees, then dictionaries will reflect that, and current generations will point to the dictionary and say "see, it's 112 degrees, not 90!", and completely disregard its origins or etymology (Why the hell was it called "right angle" in the first place? ... *shrug*, who cares?) This is how words become distorted or even come to have opposing meanings. For example, today "pander" has become distorted and completely meaningless. It's etymology comes from the word Pandarus who was a figure in Greek mythology that was a Trojan i.e. to gain favors for deception e.g. to curry favors or profit not aligned with your intent. Now people use it to connote appealing to desires they do not agree with. Since its definition is now completely subjective and relative to the person making the assertion and not the person performing the act, it has become meaningless if one were to be logically consistent with usage: literally everything can be pandering. Which gets into why we have a situation like:
and why ANN had to include a note about the difference between the original meaning of the word, as it is still used today in Japan vs the wrong American usage in its older posts introducing the anime: Hentai Prince and the Stony Cat (Henneko / Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko) |
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Chagen46
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There is no "wrong" way to use a language. If the meaning of a word changes, it changes. Tough shit. Trying to enforce a "correct" meaning is called Prescriptivism, and it's considered laughable bullshit at best and dangerous idiocy at worst in real Linguistics (which is descriptive--it merely records what the people say about it).
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But ALL langauge is inherently prescriptive or more accurately synthetic, as people are not born with words in their brains. That is how words arise and change in the first place! People do not wait for dictionaries or linguists to describe words in order to use them rightly or wrongly, or make them up.
Of course we can't and shouldn't prevent people from uttering anything however they want. But if we engage in any kind of argumentation, any discussion to make some rational judgement, then since all words have definite synthetic or axiomatic origins where someone, somewhere, decided on a new word, which then later spread, we at least now have an objective, first-use, or point of origination--it's etymology--by which to gauge correctness. And to say that "real" linguistics only functions descriptively is wrong. For so-called natural language that may be the case (although as I state above, all language is actually synthetic), but even more hardcore linguistics, usually coupled with other studies, is also used in the construction of "synthetic" or constructed languages, where such distortions can be mitigated according to the rules of the language, such as Lojban |
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Chagen46
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Of course we all have "ideals" in our head over what words mean, otherwise we couldn't communicate. And of course we must clearly define what words mean to debate.
But the use of "decimate" here was understood by most readers as meaning "utterly destroyed". Yes, such a meaning is prettt much the opposite of the archaic one-but well...words change. As long as most people understood what the person meant by "decimate" I don't see a problem. |
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reanimator
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Maybe it's a good idea to create a FAQ page. |
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jr240483
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That there was proof when viewership of moribito went south even though its a very good series. Also i was kinda shocked that one of the guys that got Big O 2 up and running called code geass terrible. Honestly i thought it was a good series and fit into AS demographic viewers. the problem was the stupid timeslots which hurt the series. not to mentioned that it got sabotaged statewise cause of the rampant illegal streaming and fansubs. though what AS and Viz should be doing is trying to get Naruto Shippuden out of the hands of Disney who is literately holding the series hostage. otherwise it would have been shown on AS when toonami made its comback. |
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Kakugo
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If you all really want to get pedantic, most common video usages of "Decimate" involve converting 30fps NTSC material back to 24fps FILM, meaning it's typically a 1-in-5. An extreme case would be 60fps down to 24, or a decimation of 60%.
Piracy has affected every part of the entertainment industry, but the adult industry has suffered harder than most: A lot of people feel embarrassed buying porn to start with, and while plenty of people will buy movies or TV shows to re-watch with, or loan to, friends a lot of people have reservations lending - or even recommending - wank fodder, which makes having it on hand far less necessary than it might be compared to the latest season of a sitcom or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if some people who even avoid piracy for TV and games and anything they genuinely want to support out of an internalized moral code shrug off downloading pr0n, just because society tends to place so little value on it to start with. The internet did wonders for pornography's accessibility, make no mistake. Maybe it helped sales when you couldn't go to one of a hundred streaming sites offered more material than any one person can properly keep track of. But increasing profitability? Particularly for something like erotic anime, which is considered a niche-within-a-niche by all but those who consume it in the context of already being an anime fan? Good luck seeing this one ever bounce back... And the reason LEGEND OF THE OVERFIEND got a theatrical release was because it was, technically, a theatrical movie. The 3 part OVA was blatantly pornographic, but the theatrical feature cut all visible penetration and even re-animated certain sequences to avoid skirting obscenity. Japan didn't actually have a ratings system in the late 80s, just a "Yes" or "No" status on whether or not the EIRIN thought the material was fit for public consumption. The MPAA still gave it an NC-17, but... well, it still deserves it, hardcore or not. |
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Buddy McManga
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I can understand the "well it's not making money anyway, so even that much is better than nothing" mentality, at least based on what we seem to know about the industry. But why should some totally separate company who has nothing directly to do with that particular business, like Japanime Games, get to profit from it too?
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InfiniteCap
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Disney's contract might not be up, but even if that is the case they can't just go ask them for it. Plus they're not going to show both series at the same time |
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doc-watson42
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Information to substantiate walw6pK4Alo's claim: According the "bishoujo" specialist retailer Getchu.com (they sell moe-related goods, etc. as well as porn), in June 2013 there are 16 scheduled releases: 1 live action adaption of a hentai game, which also had a hentai anime adaption 6 compilations/re-releases 1 new release of 3D CGI hentai anime 8 new releases of 2D hentai anime (NSFW:) ttp://www.getchu.com/all/month_title.html?genre=anime_dvd&gage=adult (NSFW:) ttp://getchu.com/php/calendar.phtml?sort=release_date&kord=&genre=anime_dvd&age=18&search_month=2013/06 According to the same source, in June 2007 (for example—pre–financial collapse), there were 13 hentai anime releases, all originals (though I wonder if two of those aren't actually DVD player games or something else). (NSFW:) ttp://getchu.com/php/calendar.phtml?sort=release_date&kord=&genre=anime_dvd&age=18&search_month=2007/06 So while production may be down, it certainly hasn't "virtually ground to a halt". OTOH, to the best of my knowledge only one new hentai anime was released in North America last year—see my "Hentai anime and manga released in 2012 for the US market" thread on AnimeNation. |
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