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NEWS: Tourist Jailed in New Zealand for Child Abuse 'Manga' Images

I'm not trying to stretch any definition, that is exactly what the law of the countries mentioned states.

The law may "fail" common sense but its still the law, there is no way around it. He broke the law of that country so he has to face the consequences.

I would expect the same thing if I went to a country where it is illegal to be gay and started eating the face off another gay in public - no matter how ridiculous it is that I could be imprisoned for kissing another man - I would expect a prison sentence as it is a crime.

TsunaReborn! wrote:

The law may "fail" common sense but its still the law, there is no way around it. He broke the law of that country so he has to face the consequences. I would expect the same thing if I went to a country where it is illegal to be gay and started eating the face off another gay in public - no matter how ridiculous it is that I could be imprisoned for kissing another man - I would expect a prison sentence as it is a crime.

If you went to country where it is illegal to be gay I don't think you would severe prison sentence. I'm sorry to break this to you but you would most likely wind up dead.

As dumb as this law is, it is still the law of the country. And even if I find it preposterous for somebody to go the jail for some harmless child porn drawings, that person is partially responsible of his own fate because of his ignorance.

@aoi yuuki fanboy:

That's a really dumb and extremely dangerous argument to make. You are saying that if guys who read Lolicon Manga cannot get their "fix" from the Manga then they will go abuse real children. That's simply not true. And it is such a very dangerous argument because you paint guys who read Lolicon Manga as being savage beasts who can only barely contain their urges with the help of pornographic Manga. That sort of sentiment actually harms more than it helps, because it reinforces the idea in the public that Lolicons are essentially paedophiles anyway and deserve to be locked up.

dtm42 wrote:

@aoi yuuki fanboy: That's a really dumb and extremely dangerous argument to make. You are saying that if guys who read Lolicon Manga cannot get their "fix" from the Manga then they will go abuse real children. That's simply not true. And it is such a very dangerous argument because you paint guys who read Lolicon Manga as being savage beasts who can only barely contain their urges with the help of pornographic Manga. That sort of sentiment actually harms more than it helps, because it reinforces the idea in the public that Lolicons are essentially paedophiles anyway and deserve to be locked up.

While the argument is dumb, it appears to be anecdotal. Unless I'm misreading, Aoi Yuuki Fanboy just outright admitted that he is a pedophile which makes this whole thing much more uncomfortable.

So, New Zealand customs has the right to open your laptop and search for anything inappropriate?

While the argument is dumb, it appears to be anecdotal. Unless I'm misreading, Aoi Yuuki Fanboy just outright admitted that he is a pedophile which makes this whole thing much more uncomfortable.

Past wrote:

While the argument is dumb, it appears to be anecdotal. Unless I'm misreading, Aoi Yuuki Fanboy just outright admitted that he is a pedophile which makes this whole thing much more uncomfortable.

To me your two sentences here completely contradict each other, but I could be misreading. In particular what you said first acknowledges that there is a point in the context despite the argument being faulty, and that's all we can discern from it. But then you point out that context actually reveals that AYF is a criminal (via quite a fallacious logical leap that lolicon=pedophile). Sorry for trying to break apart the meaning behind what you said (maybe inaccurately) but it's kind of bothering me.

octopodpie wrote:

Past wrote: While the argument is dumb, it appears to be anecdotal. Unless I'm misreading, Aoi Yuuki Fanboy just outright admitted that he is a pedophile which makes this whole thing much more uncomfortable. To me your two sentences here completely contradict each other, but I could be misreading. In particular what you said first acknowledges that there is a point in the context despite the argument being faulty, and that's all we can discern from it. But then you point out that context actually reveals that AYF is a criminal (via quite a fallacious logical leap that lolicon=pedophile). Sorry for trying to break apart the meaning behind what you said (maybe inaccurately) but it's kind of bothering me.

There is no jump in logic. Aoi Yuuki Fanboy opens his statement with admitting to be a lolicon. He closes his statement with not needing to look at "the real thing" because of hentai. The only presumption I'm making is that the hentai he's referencing is lolicon hentai because he stated he's a lolicon. His entire post is about how pedophiles can use lolicon as an outlet.

Thus, I came to the conclusion that his argument is anecdotal because he used himself as an example. He states he doesn't need to look at the "real thing" because of his lolicon hentai collection. Presuming that, if he did not have his lolicon hentai collection, he would need to look at the real thing. The hentai is his personal diversion from that.

However, I would never extend this one example as a representation of the entire group (people who look at lolicon).