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thenix
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I have one specifically that bugs me but I wanted to see what bugs other people. Specifically I really hate when there is a character that gets embarrassed and just runs away randomly. I dislike how some mangaka use it as a way of creating drama by having unresolved issues or misunderstandings, but also it's not very realistic. I honestly have never seen someone get embarrassed and just turn and run, even in situations where it's easier to do. I see often characters that turn and run in any situation like in a crowded building, in a small house, or wherever and they run so fast they can't be caught although the other person never tries to catch them.
Just wondering what other people dislike too |
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zawa113
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For me, the first one that jumped to mind is when people refuse to talk to each other to resolve an overly simple misunderstanding. And despite this being more than half of Maison Ikkoku, I still adore that manga to death, so somehow that gets away with it, even though it's quite possibly the worst offender.
Another is girls with no self esteem whatsoever. If the objective of the manga is for the character to get self esteem, I can likely forgive it, but if it's just there for them to over react to every little thing and let themselves be befriended by the worst of humanity, I just want to burn it. This is even worse in shojo manga if you ask me. I'm not asking them to go sky diving, or not have common fears like public speaking, but to not be such a door mat. Rape as romance is another I'm sure will show up here. I'm just not sure how that is at all desirable or romantic for the vast majority of the population, yet obviously is must be since there's so damn much these days. |
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chichiriNoDa
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@thenix - I'm more curious to which manga series are you referring to?
As for me, the thing that always makes me irritated especially as I read a bunch of Shojo series is when the female protagonist longs for the love of her life. The seemingly endless emote/woes here and there, gets too damn annoying. It depends on the series though, the majority of shojo has them but an excessive amount of this kind of technique gets vexing. Not mentioning if you have a main girl that cries everytime but doesn't do a damn thing about her circumstances.. Yeah Miaka of Fushigi Yugi - even with your idiosyncrasies the way you and Tamahome display the love for each other got old pretty fast. One more cliche thing that could get annoying is the goody two shoes. If its minimally done then its fine but if you have a pushover character then thats a different story. Like Tohru of Fruits Basket she's such a goody too shoes for her own sake. It bugged me to no end. Then you have Hatsumi from Hot Gimmick - iritating.. She almost got spoiler[raped by a guy] but still wanted to be his friend? Like wow have you no brain? Oh and also the damsel in distress characters especially in Smut kind of series. Most of these girls have no backbone like Misao from Black Bird. I am still wondering and questioning how did these series managed to win the Shogakukan award. That is way beyond.. #endofrant |
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marie-antoinette
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The use of rape as a plot device in general is something that is annoying, especially since very few manga handle it remotely well. This is especially true of the rape as romance plot line.
I do have to stop for a moment and defend Miaka though. I was actually watching the first episode of the anime the other day and she doesn't get close to enough credit. First episode, when Yui has been caught by slavers, Miaka immediately responds by trying to fight them off. She also manages pretty well against the gang that attacks her at the beginning of the episode, even though Tamahome did ultimately have to come rescue her (but 4-5 men against a 15 year old girl should not go well). As for later, okay, she may be relying on Tamahome and the others to fight the battles but again, she's a 15 year old girl and they are seasoned warriors. Why wouldn't she rely on them? Trying to get involved herself would be a quick way to get herself killed. But when she has to take action, she does and without hesitation. There's a reason why her last name means courage (remembering that it's Yuuki, not Yuki). /rant |
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chichiriNoDa
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In regards to Miaka, I like her and I think her personality isn't given much credit. I also do know that she's somewhat brave and she has much more depth than meets the eye. I just don't like her when she's around Tamahome so much. And thats the first thing that comes to mind to all of the readers/audiences of the manga and anime alike.. The annoying relationship they displayed in the series. Outside her love life, Miaka had done some heroic acts indeed and she's really an understanding friend/priestess..
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thenix
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Specifically what made me realize i hate it so much was Chibi Vampire. (aka Karin) I know the whole manga is based around situations that make Karin embarrassed and how she is overly embarrassed but there are other ways to act embarrassed.
I agree this is annoying but I guess I don't see it enough to make it cliche to me. But there are those character that are such nice people that it irritates me. It got that way for me in Fruits Basket, but the main girl character in planetez got on my nerves hard core. I think the show did it on purpose but there was an episode where she flat out makes everyone do what she says, including strangers, in a serious situation because she thinks it's the nice thing to do. (Sorry for the ambiguity but I didn't want to spoil anything) |
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population_tire
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"Until... the incident"
"Incident? ... What incident?" |
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Tamaria
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In middleschool... / 14 years ago... / 50 years ago... / The incident I will mention every other chapter, but won't go into detail about for atleast another ten volumes. Yup, that plot device can get really annoying really fast. And unless it's like some epic science fiction or adventure series, the incident is often kinda minor. As someone who still likes her shounen manga, there's one cliche I can't stand and that's heroes who just keep discovering new powers. As in: if there's a power of the week, they'll probably get it. It sucks, because it's a lot more fun when characters develop their own special skill set instead of being some kind of superpower hoarder. (Biggest offender right now is Bleach. I don't stray past the English releases, so I haven't rad anything beyond volume 56 yet, but Ichigo is totally going to find out he's like part Quiny or something, right?) |
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Crisha
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 It's almost as if Kubo is too easy to predict!
spoiler[Yes, dear old mommy is a Quincy. So Ichigo is now part-bastard of everything.] Yeah, "rape being romantic" really ticks me off, enough for me to completely lose interest in the story right there. But even using rape as a plot device such that the romantic interest saves the person about to be raped can tick me off. I like how Love*Com subverts the trope by having Risa spoiler[play cards with her would-be-rapists because they were too stupid to understand their orders] and Otani rushing to save her and walking in on an unexpected situation. Any stupid little thing that gets repeated too often to create drama can end up annoying me. Classicalzawa mentions the "people refuse to talk to each other to resolve an overly simple misunderstanding" trope. Another one I can think of is when someone or something always interupts someone else from stating something of importance ("I love you!" or "I'm pregnant!", etc.). "Wh-what I really want..." "... what you really want?" "W-want to say is..." ... "Is..." ... "_____-san, I lo-" "HEY GUYS, WANNA HELP ME SHAVE MY CAT?!!" *First character falls over* And then the topic is forgotten about. Or the person loses his/her nerve and tells the other person, "Oh, haha, it wasn't important." Maison Ikkoku is filled with a lot of not-so-nice-people that constantly get in between the MCs. It got f***ing frustrating to the point that I wanted to punch almost everyone in the nose. |
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Tamaria
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spoiler[Well, atleast he respects the pattern. So, let me guess, Ichigo's mom is Ryuken's sister or something? That'd make sense.] Speaking of shonen manga, here's another one: only ever let the opposing side finish talking. A villain taking the time to explain his big evil plan is a common sight, and in many situations it would be smart to listen, if only to buy some time to think up a decent plan of attack. Strangely enough, heroes have far less patience for their allies. Who cares they already analysed the opponent's attacks or have some other information that could turn the odds in your favor, right? Just ignore them and charge in blindly! That always works! Eventually... maybe... |
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cheetahpretty
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cough*Hot Gimmick* cough How did I willingly read that entire thing? Mine is possessiveness as romance. For example, in Maid-Sama, it's supposed to be romantic that Usui talks about Misaki as if she's his possession. |
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Chiibi
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I want to flip tables every time a girl cuts her gorgeous long hair "because of a break-up".
IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE CRAP.
Yes, extreme rage will be had and said manga will be dropped. Hmm....those are probably my biggest two: haircuts and rape=love. THough I'm starting to get sick of "school-play-casts-main-characters in-romantic-roles-for-the-sake-of-drama". Not because I think it's a bad idea but because it is DONE TOO MUCH.
Oh gawd, THIS. I immediately lose respect for such girls, ESPECIALLY if they fall for a horrible guy who does nothing but abuse them. YES, TSUBAKI HIBINO, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU. 
I used to think Miaka was the worst shoujo heroine ever but I was wrong. She isn't smart....but she at least has a freaking backbone. |
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Keichitsu0305
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Took me awhile to think of one but, bingo!
Bitches in shoujo. I'm tired of seeing the faces of caked makeup, coming into the manga just to bully with the main protagonist and we never see them again. Like their whole purpose in life is to create hell for the heroine and never show up. Those chicks from Say I Love You (a bit too recent but, I'm just thinking on the top of my head) who slap Mei cause she told them off but, aren't mentioned again or dealt with. Irritates me to no end. Another one in shoujo and (sometimes manga): purity. UGH! Unless it's josei, seinen, or pretty decent shoujo/shounen artists, some manga just love to capitalize on the whole "virginity is awesome" or "sex=evil" or "wait until you're married" or "look how adorable she is since she looks too young to have sex with but cute enough that you can jerk off without feeling bad about yourself!" =__= I get sexuality can be a sensitive topic, but that justs makes me respect authors more if they can tell a story about characters who have sexual relations and present the joys, consequences, and responsibility of doing it. Also, hate it when couples try to have consensual sex but, are interrupted by either a gag or an action scene. It's not so much because I'm a perv (I'll admit it) but, mainly I find it interesting when characters want to physically advanced their relationship. If they break up, fine (so long as it makes sense). If they get married, fine. If one of them is killed...whoops. |
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Chiibi
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Oh gawd, YES. Don't you just want to punch each and every one in the face? 
You would love the hell out of Ikeyamada Go's works. Look her up. She is all about this. And she does it SO TASTEFULLY.
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lys
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None of Ikeyamada's stuff is licensed in English, but Rie Takada has several titles here and her heroines are generally on the more enthusiastic/forward side, as far as physical relationships go. I believe in the wisdom of waiting till marriage, but I appreciate the honesty of Takada's perspective. Playing up purity, then teasing "Oh, but this is different/special/the One True Love so [whatever]" seems a little hypocritical. I think the clichés that most frustrate me are a couple that others have mentioned—the ridiculous misunderstanding/miscommunication -> inability to sit down and just talk about it (willag, your example scenario cracked me up :D), and possessiveness. If Tokyopop hadn't shut down when it did, I'm not sure how much longer I would have kept up with Maid Sama! anyway, because Usui was really starting to get on my nerves and I missed the awesome girl Misaki had started off as. Alas. |
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