Forum - View topic[end of FullMetalAlchemist anime] Connections/questions
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axion
 Posts: 17 Location: New York |
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I just finished watching the FullMetal Alchemist series and there are some things that caught my eye in the last episode. Mainly, spoiler[ after Hohenheim is seen in robes standing around a transmutation circle with some other men, we learn that himself and Ed are in post-WWI Germany. However, in the episode where Ed crosses into "our world" for the first time he and Hohenheim are in Britain, this is clear because Zeppelins with Iron Crosses are attacking and Hohenheim is summoned to see a Mr. Churchill.
So what happened there? Germany wasn't exactly a desirable place to relocate to after WWI, at the same time it is evident that most of the story took place in Germany (even though not in "our world") because of the character designs (blonde hair and blue eyes) and the use of the term Fuhrer.] That was my main question, here are some odd connections I've made: In the same scene mentioned above, spoiler[ we learn that Hohenheim is in the Thule Society (Thule Gesellschaft) with other practicioners of magic, which was almost entirely the root of the Nazi party and produced many prominent Nazis, not to mention that it was an occultic/hermetic order based on beliefs in things such as Alchemy. Also, the man he is walking with is named "professor Haushofer," to me this is an obvious reference to Karl Haushofer, who was indeed a member of the Thule Society, arguably the founder of the Nazi party, and the man responsible for Hitler's rise to power. When Ed is telling Hohenheim about what he plans to do, he mentions liquid fuel propulsion, the method used by the Nazis in creating world's first true long-range rocket (the V1 and its more infamous successor, the V2).] Why would the creators add of all these historical references to what was until now a fantasy show  ?
[EDIT: Added spoiler tags. -TK] |
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one3rd
 Posts: 1819 Location: アメリカ |
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You should really use some spoiler tags.
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LydiaDianne
 Posts: 5634 Location: Southern California |
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I agree since I have one episode left to go and have to wait until next Saturday on Cartoon Network. Not everybody knows how or where to download. And I don't want to know. EDIT **Thanks Tony!** What you've described above seems like the final episode is really going to be packed with information, since ... spoiler[Ed has to get over a slight case of impalement/dead. Al has to get out of the transmutation circle. That B**** Dante has to get hers along with Envy, Wrath and Gluttony. Roy Mustang has to take care of Bradley (Pride). The war has to end...] I've probably forgotten a few things but still, it seems like a lot to have to tie up. |
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Alchemist449
 Posts: 341 Location: LED ZEPPELIN! nuf said |
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I feel is should point this out: spoiler[Hoenhiem is told that a Churchill wants to see him. That would mean (coupled with the zepplin(sp?) air raids) they were in WWII Britain. ] Sorry if I'm acting to otaku-ish.
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major_pain
 Posts: 46 Location: Down the six thousand steps~ |
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I believe that a bunch of these odd connections would make more sense if you were to watch the FMA movie, as I have heard complaints that the ending of the series seemed to be pretty much just a setup for the movie. I say believe because I haven't seen it and could be totally wrong.
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Nagisa
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 Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
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Because the characters have now passed over into our real world. Simple as that. |
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joel_s95387
Posts: 1804 Location: California... The Village Hidden In The Porn |
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It gives us hope into actually thinking that this is very possible... a parallel universe where we can all practice alchemy. Atleast I thought of the world with zeppelins just being a parallel universe... I may be wrong. Huh? |
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Zalis116
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 Posts: 6904 Location: Kazune City |
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Wow, thanks for the historical and name connections...I didn't know that about those societies and individuals. However, I think that they play fast and loose with history in the end of FMA, because AFAIK, spoiler[Germany never bombed Britain with zeppelins in WW1. Zeppelins wouldn't have had enough range to attack across the channel, and they would have been rediculously easy to shoot down using a biplane--I mean, they're huge targets filled with volatile gas. Zeppelins were used for scouting and reconeissance missions. When Germany did bomb Britain in WW2, zeppelins were long since obsolete--the Blitz was carried out with bomber planes, though I don't know enough to tell you what model of planes were used.]
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Kleven
Posts: 10 Location: Igloo City, Norway |
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Some SPOILERS for FMA and Last Exile... maybe.
Que? http://www.worldwar1.com/arm010.htm 5 mins of google research prooves you wrong alas. 
Why did you put that stuff in spoiler text anyway? Oh noes you ruined WW1 for me, I always thought the axis won  (No, really)
I dont think Zeppelins was used as bombers during WW2 Churchill didn't just pop out of the ground when WW2 started, he did exist during WW1 aswell in the position of First Lord of the Admiralty (Picked up from wikipedia, so Im not just guessing) I find the hidden political stuff in FMA very interesting. But I have not idea what it means. While we are on the topic of politics in anime, did anyone watch Last Exile? Its really good, maybe its just my imagination but I thought it had some hidden communist stuff. The Hammer and Scythe made a cameo apperance during episode 8 when you first see the birds racing (for about 7 frames). The logo for the hospital is a sort of cross over between the UN flag and hammer and scythe: A Red hammer and surrounded by the same plant that is on the un flag (dont know its name alas). Also much of the plot revolves around the lower classes fighting the higher classes. Any other thoughts on either anime? Last edited by Kleven on Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:51 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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b214
 Posts: 142 Location: Connecticut |
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The last couple of episodes basically just setup for the movie which by the way is amazing. A lot happens that will make you cry and wish for more. In the japanese episodes, things happened like an episode earlier than in the english episodes. To me, it seems like they are gonna have to make an extra episode to fit everything in. |
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Kelly
Posts: 868 Location: New York City |
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Hmm... class differences are an extremely important subtheme in Last Exile, but I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Some people of the very highest rank throw in together against Delphine, and one of the closest friendships in the entire series - between a crown prince and a slave - completely transcends rank. The entire upper class isn't presented as evil in itself - just one horrific ruler in particular and to a lesser extent military caste systems in general. I think the main themes are the attempts of people of goodwill, no matter who they are, to work together for a common good and the terrible sacrifices sometimes necessary to depose a repressive regime. |
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Alchemist449
Posts: 341 Location: LED ZEPPELIN! nuf said |
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.... These are the japanese episodes with an english translation... Why would they remake the series for an english release? Maybe your're thinkin that that was episode 51. |
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Kleven
Posts: 10 Location: Igloo City, Norway |
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Maybe not ultimate evil but Delphine does at one point describe in great detail how big waste of resource her food is. I doubt she was the only upper class person that ate like that even if she was ruler of the world, almost. Upper class people were also frequently portraid as arrogant, greedy and with other negative traits. Except for Sofie I dont think any high class person had many positive traits, does Alex count? (Where did he get that insane amount of money from anyway?) But your opinion seems more realistic. People in red dresses from a snowy country probably just worked me up heh. |
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Kelly
Posts: 868 Location: New York City |
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Heh. That's o.k. I understand. I'm part Finn  .
Well, there's Duke Mad-thane and his family, who seem refreshingly down to earth. The Emperor of Disith turns out to be a nice guy once the misunderstanding Delphine caused with Anatoray is cleared up. spoiler[Alvis (or at least her immediate family) and Lescius/Ressius (Alex's Engineer) turn out to have been of very high rank in the Guild before Delphine's assension)]. And finally, yes - I'm going to throw myself out to the wolves and say I like spoiler[Dio, who wasn't really that bad at all considering how he must have been raised (thought I'd make that a spoiler to be safe because new fans shouldn't start figuring him out until close to the middle of the series).] As for Alex, I don't remember any real explanation. I have a feeling it probably involved something slightly illegal, but I'm not sure .
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