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NEWS: Naruto Licensed by ShoPro Entertainment

championferret wrote:

bunch of racist bastards. The truth is the truth.

Oh please do explain this

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And I hope not. This will once and for all prove if the fansubbers have any "ethics". If people continue to download in the same numbers or if the series tanks in the US, we'll all know why.

Why?

I will watch both. It's interesting to see the changes and how Viz'll translate it. This is just like how I read the Shonen Jump version of the manga, even though I'd already read the scanilated manga and watched the fansubbed show up to that point. Fansubs don't cut into profits, "naruto" as we know it in the US wouldn't exist without fansubs. There wouldn't have been 2000 Konoha irregulars running around last year's Otakon without fansubs. Naruto Gekito Ninja Taisen 2 and 3 wouldn't have sold nearly as many copies in Japan without fansubbing (it's HUGE on imports).

Naruto's currently up to episode 122 in fansubbed form. That's 2+ years of weekly CN releases. No way should fans of the show be expected to wait 2 years to get their next new episode of Naruto, that's just nuts.

BTW, as for release, my hope is that they can run it unedited on Toonami. I know it's got some blood here and there, but so what? If they can't, then I think they should run it on Toonami first run, getting away with as much as they can, and then run it unedited in Adult Swim to fill gaps in the schedule (like how they currently use Cowboy Bebop). If Shopro is smart they won't charge them extra for this right, it'll drive up their sales without them having to do any more work.

Also, I DO hope they leave the Japanese names in for at least some of the attacks. Kage Bunshin, Rasengan, Byakugan, Sharingan, and leave in the X no Jutsu for the rest, with X being an English substitution of the Japanese name, like "Shadow Bind no Jutsu". It's just "cooler". You don't have to know the literal definition of the move, those are generally self-explainitory. "Foreign" words just sound cooler than American words. The Japanese know this, and just foreign words all the time (English in their case, of course).

There's certainly precedent, like Hadoken, Shoryuken, Ninja Gaiden, Seiken Densetsu, the Teen Titans opening, etc., and even precedent for taking names that are already in English and converting them to Japanese, like the upcoming "Makai Kingdom" game (Phantom Kingdom in Japan). If necessary they could add in snazzy text overlays (like they used in Yu Yu sometimes), but I think they should definitely leave the Japanese names in.

That's why I stopped buying US Jump, actually, when they started renaming the Naruto character's moves

And those are the official fansub translations. True in every word. Wink

Especially after all that money they paid for it. Rolling Eyes

Fansubs are what brought the show over, and that's important, but they need to stop now, or else the show will do bad over here, and that's a fact.

it will not air edited on Toonami AND unedited on Adult Swim at the same time.

That is an interesting case you make (except for Seiken Densetsu, which has always been the Mana series over here).

The mainstream audience that watches TV will not be able to remember or appreciate the numerous X no Jutsu that the characters will spout,

but there shouldn't be a "no" in there, since the phrase "Shadow Bind Jutsu" would be more English than Japanese in its structure.

They've been translating the moves since issue #2 (when Naruto first started), starting with "Art of the Doppleganger." Only recently have they not only been giving translations only, but also started providing the original Japanese names, which I applaud them for finally doing.

What does money have to do with it? Think about it this way, Shopro almost certainly made ten times as much off of Cartoon Network based on the buzz surrounding Naruto in the states. That buzz wouldn't exist if people hadn't had any access to the show. In effect, that money is due to our efforts as viewers of the show.

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Fansubs are what brought the show over, and that's important, but they need to stop now, or else the show will do bad over here, and that's a fact.

But that would punish the fans that made the show what it is in the first place, by forcing them to do without the show for 2 or more years while it catches up. One Oice won't catch up to the funsubs for another two year either, and the fansubs are themselves a year or two behind the raws.

I don't know, it's a balance, certainly, and my only hope is that they lean more towards being true to the flavor of the original series, and less towards "dumbed down Americanized" product. I'm not asking that they call Full Metal Alchemist "Hagane no Renkenjutsushi" or anything here, this is a show about ninjas that takes place in an obviously Japan-esc setting, and I just hope they allow the dialog to reflect that as best they can while keeping the show watchable without subtitles (Although subtitling move names anyways wouldn't hurt anyone).

Steventheeunuch wrote:

championferret wrote: bunch of racist bastards. The truth is the truth. Oh please do explain this

first of all thanks to championferret for agreeing with me

4Kids are racist because they remove any trace of japanese cultrue as they can and stuff america down everyones troths
and the stupid moron al khan said anime is too japanese but thats where it came from. that is like me saying the O.C is too american

Sadly, we might be the land of the free & the home of the brave, but we are also known for wanting everything our way. The image is is we can't relate, we won't watch. Anime is bigger than it was, but not as big as American animation here. Domestic programs, from everything I've read, tend to cream anime in the ratings. I know my 14 yr old could care less about history(I watch anime & otherwise pretty much the history channel-type stuff). Her friends are very much the same--if it's something they're interested in, they'll watch, but if not, nothing can make them watch. She "discovers" stuff all the time & suddently wants to watch some video from my collection I couldn't get her to watch if I paid her to do it before.
The brains behind tv shows believe all American youth are like this-that if little Johnny can't relate to Yoh Asakura eating rice balls, he won't tune in(I never understood the weird donuts on Pokemon until I actually bothered to read up on Japanese culture). I never knew Kimba wasn't an American show when I watched it back in the 60's because they removed all of the Japanese refs from it. Honestly, I can't say if I would have watched it had it been more Japanese. Would the average 10 yr-old you know be willing to watch a show they need cultural notes to understand? Can the average American 8 yr-old relate to sweatdrops? They know the things that relate to our culture & I don't know a lot who seem to have much patience with the unfamiliar. My daughter enjoys shows many of her 20-something friends on the net are unfamiliar with because I've exposed her to a wider range of things-museums as well as tv shows many of her friends never heard of like Dark Shadows or Nightmare Cafe. Watch a show with subtitles? Most Americans would probably prefer having a root canal done.

No,think of it this way. Anime is not just an art to be enjoyed by the masses for nothing. Anime is business, and in business, money has a lot to do with it. Your attitude towards it is soooo 90's. "1337's like me did the Studio such a favour that they should be giving me a percentage of the profit, why if it wasn't for me and others the likes thereof, Naruto wouldn't exist outside of Japan!" You should get a new calender mate. yours is out of date by maybe five to ten years.

Anime is a privilage mate, not a right . Excuse me if I don't share your anxiety.

I'm sure that the eventual DVD will be bilingual Japanese with English subs and English dub, so all that worry will be for nought. Wink

Who cares about the DVD? I watch tv on tv, like the Japanese people do. I'm not spending $20 for three episodes of a 130+ episode tv series. Do I sound retarded to you?

Yea you sound retarded to me. All your post are illogical, but that's not suprising since it's coming from a leecher.

Yeah yeah yeah, we all know what you anime for free because you act like it's your right to.

Yes yes, I'm the one who sounds retarded because I like to watch tv shows on tv, and not pay money for shows that air for free in Japan