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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:00 pm
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Fantastic Four actually looks better in that clip than I expected from those awful stills and set documentaries. But I'm still waiting for the official trailer before officially commenting.
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Gamelore
Joined: 07 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:55 pm
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I'm 25 miles from one of these theatres, yet the price for a matinee is $7.50. Outrageous. I searched up to 50 miles away and got two more: $7.00 matinee and $11.00 matinee.
I'm not up to paying that much just to see a movie, IN THE DAYTIME, on top of driving 50 miles. Matinees should be $4.00-$6.25, tops. It looks like they specifically picked the most expensive theatres.
Such a bummer, cause I had been looking forward to this for the past 5 months
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Cowpunk
Joined: 03 Nov 2004
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Location: Oakland - near the Newtype Lab
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:39 pm
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Interesting that here in the SF Bay Area they dropped two theaters in the suburban main stream communities and picked up theaters in San Franciscio and Emeryville.
Well the Emeryville theater usually shows white bread stuff so they may gain some viewers who normally would not go to an art house theater to see a foreign film.
However I stand by my policy of "You no sub, me no go". Guess I'll wait for the DVD.
Gilles - more fanboy than thou - Poitras
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Sword of Whedon
Joined: 17 Sep 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:26 pm
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Quote: | I'm not up to paying that much just to see a movie, IN THE DAYTIME, on top of driving 50 miles. Matinees should be $4.00-$6.25, tops. It looks like they specifically picked the most expensive theatres. |
Because the most expensive theaters can afford to show niche films
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Sword of Whedon
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:27 pm
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Quote: | I'm not up to paying that much just to see a movie, IN THE DAYTIME, on top of driving 50 miles. Matinees should be $4.00-$6.25, tops. It looks like they specifically picked the most expensive theatres. |
Because the most expensive theaters can afford to show niche films
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thecactusman17
Joined: 26 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:08 pm
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Aaron White wrote: | FWIW, the Western reviews have been mostly negative. |
They're right. I just wasted eight dollars this afternoon.
Now, let me give this its fair props: the animation and detail is fantastic, and the action scenes are incredible. At times, the characters and environment really do look hand drawn. And the mecha which appear later in the film look great, too. I'd actually love to see this property turned into a video game allowing for the air/ground mode switching like in the first Robotech game.
What kills this movie is the acting. The English acting. The very, very bad English acting. The story, though a bit cliched at times (especialy towards the end) could have been pulled off quite well with a scene or two removed and some big name actors with real talent. I haven't heard a dub this bad since I fired up the Love Hina Christmas Special without double checking to make sure the audio was set to Japanese.
Stay away from this movie unless you can first confirm that you will be seeing a subtitled Japanese language picture, and even then hope for the best. All I can say is that the English track is bad enough to single handedly kill this film's chance of reviving the property in the US. Which is a shame, seeing as how the original manga was definately worth peoples' time (dammit, Shirow, get off your arse and finish volume five!).
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:46 am
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Gamelore:
Quote: | I'm 25 miles from one of these theatres, yet the price for a matinee is $7.50. Outrageous. I searched up to 50 miles away and got two more: $7.00 matinee and $11.00 matinee. |
You're lucky. Certain theaters near me consider $8.75-$9 "matinee" for more mainstream fare. -_- (P.S. If you're in the L.A. area, you can see Appleseed for $6.75 at the Beverly Center if you go before 6 p.m. The a-holes at the Arclight will charge you $11 minimum.)
Cowpunk:
Quote: | However I stand by my policy of "You no sub, me no go". Guess I'll wait for the DVD. |
Yeah, but if you hate the movie, you save money from buying the dvd.
cactus:
Quote: | I'd actually love to see this property turned into a video game |
Shirow actually did chara designs for a PS shooter back in the day. Horned Owl or something.
Quote: | What kills this movie is the acting. The English acting. The very, very bad English acting...I haven't heard a dub this bad since I fired up the Love Hina Christmas Special without double checking to make sure the audio was set to Japanese. |
The characters in Appleseed are mostly Caucasian, not Japanese. So I don't see the problem...
Quote: | The story, though a bit cliched at times (especialy towards the end) could have been pulled off quite well with a scene or two removed and some big name actors with real talent. |
This is Geneon, not Sony or Disney. Elizabeth Berkley's as good as it's gonna get for them for a while.
Quote: | All I can say is that the English track is bad enough to single handedly kill this film's chance of reviving the property in the US. |
A lot of people hated the dub for the first GITS, but that didn't hurt it.
Quote: | Which is a shame, seeing as how the original manga was definately worth peoples' time (dammit, Shirow, get off your arse and finish volume five!). |
He's busy drawing dirty calenders and art books. ^_-
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midori kou
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:35 pm
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thecactusman17 wrote: |
Aaron White wrote: | FWIW, the Western reviews have been mostly negative. |
What kills this movie is the acting. The English acting. The very, very bad English acting. The story, though a bit cliched at times (especialy towards the end) could have been pulled off quite well with a scene or two removed and some big name actors with real talent. I haven't heard a dub this bad since I fired up the Love Hina Christmas Special without double checking to make sure the audio was set to Japanese. |
I think you're looking at the wrong aspect of Appleseed. It wasn't the dub that killed Appleseed, but how rushed and condensed the movie was. We have little details about the characters and their development throughout the movie. The plot seemed not to be present. Plus everything didn't flow. It just felt like small segments of the manga thrown together.
The dub, to me, was wonderful. However, the script could use some work. Other than that, it was rather interesting watching it for the animation style.
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thecactusman17
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:08 am
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No, trust me: I enjoyed the English dub of GITS (1) and I generally enjoy dubs. This dub was of such incredibly poor quality that it will dissapoint the vast majority of movie goers, even if they like anime dubs. It is flat-out bad. The condensed story is actually one of the better condensations I've seen. Most of the major themes from the manga are there. We get a very good glimpse of the human-bioroid tension, the Olympian politics, advanced military tactics, training, and equipment. We even get a solid backstory to Deunan, which was difficult to pick apart in the manga at times. I think that really, the majority of this film could have worked as a decent, but not spectacular, anime theatrical release with a marginally improved cast and a little less cliched melodrama.
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AnimeHeretic
Joined: 10 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:00 pm
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I think the reviews tend to fall into three categories
1) The ones that impress the critics and do badly (box office)
2) The ones that the critics hate and do badly
3) The ones that the critics hate and do well.
Films appearing in category 1 include Metropolis, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away. Films appearing in category 2 include Jin Roh, Cowboy Bebop: The Movie, Perfect Blue. Films in category 3 include the big merchandise films like Pokemon etc.
Personally, I suspect they opted for Appleseed in hopes of finding a big brash "looks good on big screen" movie-- the "next Akira" as it were. They'll probably fail, since Akira was something new, but anime has now been around long enough that the "in your face" won't work. It'll have to have a good story to impress as well, and Appleseed looks more like eyecandy.
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