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Aoi_Sakaraba
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[Has anyone seen] the school days ONA. I'[ve seen] all 6 episodes, but only the first episode was subtitled.
Honestly I don't think this ONA should get an encyclopedia on this website, if it's just an HCG and not an anime. [edited -t] Was edited by a moderator and not the thread starter. All Grammar Errors were not originally in this post. (Extra negative removed by Aoi) Last edited by Aoi_Sakaraba on Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:32 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Tempest
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I have no idea what this means. There's an odd double negative in there and I can't decipher what you mean to say. -t |
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egoist
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Surely you don't mean that pregnancy thing when you say HCG?
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ShinobiX
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I don't know what HCG is, but whatever translation: School Days should not be included in the encyclopedia since it is not an anime. Obviously that is wrong since School Days is an anime by definition. Original Net Animation. Bold is for Aoi to see. |
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Aoi_Sakaraba
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earlier this thread was locked. They edited my words a little and reopened it. I can't even make sense out of it anymore 0_0 ? Odd editing
I have seen the ONA, and the first episode is subtitled. I asked about if the other 5 episodes had been subbed. Apparently the answer is no. For the term HCG I do not know what it spells out, but I do know that it means videos made from Hentai Games or something. |
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EmbraceMe
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I *think* I might have seen some of them, but they were all raws.
I'll post what I saw in spoilers, so if anyone wants to confirm if they're the correct episodes or w/e, feel free. Here goes: (Beware, they might be huge spoilers.) 1 - spoiler[ The new ending where Sekai pushes Kotonoha into the train tracks as the trains approaches and kills Kotonoha.] 2 - spoiler[ Another ending where Kotonoha leaps off a building to break Makoto and Sekai's relationship.] 3 - spoiler[ An ending where Kotonoha takes some giant cleaver weapon and slices Sekai's neck, killing her.] 4 - spoiler[A "comedic" ending where Setsuna sends Makoto a postcard from France revealing that she's pregnant.] 5 - spoiler[ A "happy" ending where Kotonoha and Makoto are in a love hotel meaning they end up together. Sekai leaves, I guess. ] And, that's about what I saw. They *might* be "extra" episodes from the DVD's, so I don't know. |
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Aoi_Sakaraba
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Nice. what about the episode 6 ending?
All 3 of the main characters spoiler[Get together and have a 3 way fully nude. Then walk off into the night.] I took the first couple years of Japanese and kind of understand the episodes without subs, but not enough to be fully certain. |
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Kruszer
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In that one spoiler[it's a happy ending of sorts where Makoto is able to convince both Kotonoha and Sekai to share him. Eventually both of them get knocked up.]
None of those mentioned are part of ONA as far as I know they're just clips from the games except for the last one which I've seen with it's own title. The episode I have seen from the ONA is basically a retelling of the first episode or two from the series. The rest of the episodes would then feature a totally different girl and their arc, but I still don't think it was ever continued past episode 1. |
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Aoi_Sakaraba
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Somewhere I thought I read they've decided it would be too difficult to put what they wanted into ONA form. You can download the HCA which are put together the same way after what happened in episode 1.
For example there are 2 episode 2s, 2 3s, and like 3 4s, I think, etc. Those are the alternative paths. considering there is 6 of them, we can assume this is what they meant for the ONA. Seeing the different paths makes me think it would be a cool idea to make a complex anime series or OAV series that go off on different directions similar to anime games. For example have a series have episode 1-3 be normal. Then have say episode 4A, 4B, 4C, then go off from there. It would probably be too complicated of a project for broadcasted anime, but for an OAV it would be excellent. They could probably broadcast one path, but then in OAV produce a couple other paths. I must admit it works in theory, but once you break off from a path from a previous path break off, then it would become far to confusing for your typical anime viewer. I still would enjoy the idea, for anyone out there who is a hardcore enough otaku to want to watch a series like that. Getting back onto topic. So far for school days I've only been able to watch those HCA/ONA or whatever without subs, but then later reading some of the background to them online. |
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EmbraceMe
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Ok, I re-watched the "episodes", and read descriptions from the Uploader(s) and comments. The episodes that I've seen are most likely from the game. Guess Kruszer is right.
Just to clarify, are the animation from the game and the anime similar? If they are, that would explain why I thought the "episodes" were the ONA. Though most of them are actually around 2-4 minutes long... |
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Calathan
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I'm pretty sure I understand everything in Aoi Sakaraba's post, so allow me to try to explain.
My understanding is that CG means "computer graphics", meaning images or video generated with a computer of the sort you would find in a visual novel like School Days. HCG would refer to pornographic CG images or video ("H" as in "hentai"). Basically, the CG from a visual novel would be the images or videos you can collect in the game (I think generally visual novels give you a menu where you can view images/video you have already seen while playing the game . . . at least the few I've played did). By referring to these as HCG, Aoi Sakaraba is suggesting that they are video clips from the game. The "trivia" section from the article for the ONA says that they are the ending scenes from the game, which would seem to agree with Aoi Sakaraba's suggestion that the are CG clips from the game. Assuming that the "ONA" did refer to the ending clips from the game and not a new video that originally premiered on the web, that would support Aoi Sakaraba's suggestion that they maybe shouldn't have an encyclopedia page on ANN (I'm pretty sure that the double negative in her post in a mistake and she is saying that they should not have an encyclopedia page for it). We don't normally have encyclopedia articles on cutscenes from video games. However, Kruszer states that there was an actual ONA released that is separate from the ending clips, and I believe he is correct about that from what I have read online. I think what has happened is that there has been some confusion due to the ending clips apparently being released on the web. People thought that the ONA referred to those video clips, when it actually referred to a separate video (basically a retelling of the first episode of the TV series as Kruszer suggests). So it is correct for us to have an ONA entry for School Days, but it doesn't refer to the six videos that Aoi Sakaraba is talking about. This means that the "trivia" entry in the ONA page and the claim that the ONA has 6 episodes on the ONA page are incorrect, and should be corrected so as not to confuse more people as to what the page is about. Hopefully I have interpreted the situation correctly. If I misconstrued anyone’s statements, then I apologize. |
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Aoi_Sakaraba
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Well if it helps any where I've obtained my pieces, claims the pieces to be the ONA.
Separated in another heading is HCG clips, followed by an ED Video list. All the episodes I have are from the ONA section, and they are all different lengths. From 30 minutes to 57 minutes. As I said earlier episodes 2-6 are in Chinese subs. Also comparing Episode 1 with the rest, they're are similar in structure if not the same (not the same episode of course). I would love to explain into more depth about the site, but that would probably be against teh rules, and or a moderator might edit my post again to where it no longer makes any sense... |
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Calathan
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Well, I found the site you speak of and checked out a couple of the videos, and now I'm really not sure what to think. It looks like the first episode that was subtitled in English is the episode that I thought was the only ONA (I'm guessing that is also the episode that Kruszer thought was the only ONA). However, you are correct that there are 5 other full-length episodes provided there that are labeled as ONAs. I'm really not certain though if the other 5 are part of a series with the 1st one or are a separate group of ONAs. The first one was released before the game (it ends with a screen saying when the game will be released), but I'm thinking the others may have been released after the game (though I'm not sure of that). I have been able to find several sites that recognize the existance of one ONA epsiode which appears to be the first one of those, but no sites other than that one that mention any other ONAs. I've also noticed that the first episode seems to not have an opening sequence, while the other ones do, which could mean it is separate from them (or just that they hadn't decided to have an opening sequence yet when they made the first one). Without playing the game, I have no idea if the other 5 episodes reused animation from the game, or if they are original animation. However, the first episode was released on the Internet before the game came out, so it definitely qualifies as an ONA and should have an entry in ANN's encyclopedia. I really know nothing about the other episodes, including whether they are supposed to be a series with that first episode, whether they are animation from the game or original animation released on the Internet, how or when they were released, etc. I therefore don't know if they should be included with the ONA entry for the first episode, given their own separate entry, or not given an entry in the encyclopedia at all.
Based on the fact that many sites are aware of the first episode but not the other ones, I would be inclined to guess that the other five were released in a different way at a different time, and therefore shouldn't be listed in this entry. However, that is just a guess. Regardless, I think the "trivia" entry saying that the ONA is a collection of the endings of the game is clearly wrong, no matter whether the ONA refers to the first of these episodes or all six of them. Anyway, I'm sorry for mistaking what sort of episodes you were talking about. Also, I'm sorry for misunderstanding your first post in this thread as I saw the thread after the moderators apparently edited it. |
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Calathan
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After doing a bunch more searching and reading about the School Days game, I'm pretty sure that the 5 additional episodes are collections of the videos from the game. The school days game itself consists of videos divided up into 6 chapters, and these episodes seem to be those videos. Someone has combined the video sequences from certain paths through the chapters to make these videos (removing the parts where you need to make choices). That is why there seems to be multiple version of some of the videos, as the different versions reflect different choices made in the game.
I am very doubtful that the other 5 videos are actually an ONA at all, but think they are just someone's playthrough of the game. I can see absolutely no source suggesting that they are ONAs other than that one website that is illegally distributing them. The post Aoi Sakaraba refers to where they are being distributed seems to be a collection of videos previously distributed on that site. I found a thread where these videos were previously distributed on that site, and it said nothing about them being an ONA, and instead seemed to imply that they were video from the game. I think that people only labeled them as an ONA because the company officially released on ONA of the first chapter of the game, and these are equivalent videos for the additional chapters. I have found absolutely no evidence anywhere that the company officially released more than one video as an ONA. I think that the first ONA released by the company before the game came out is an actual ONA in the sense that it is animated video initially premiering on the web. My impression from reading the topics on the site that is illegally distributing the videos is that the ONA is actually video from the game (but released on the web before the game was released), making up part of the first chapter. There was apparently a slightly longer version included with those chinese-subbed videos, which is probably a playthrough of the first chapter from whoever made the other chinese subbed videos. As for whether this should have an entry in the encyclopedia, I think probably it should, as it is video initially premiering on the web (before being used in the game). Though the same video might have also been used in the game, given that the company put it together into an animated sequence removing any game aspects (like menues, choices, etc.) and released it as a standalone video, I think it qualifies as an anime. However, the entry should only list one episode, as I am pretty certain that only one web episode was actually released by the company. It could also be argued that since the game itself is fully animated video, it could have its own entry in the encyclopdia (it could really be called an interactive anime). However, I don't know if we want to add entries for games, even if they use full video instead of static images. Regardless, I don't think the ONA entry should list the other episodes, as I belive they were never officially released as an ONA, only as part of the game itself. Hopefully I've actually gotten things right this time. |
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Kruszer
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That's really helpful thanks. I scoured the web for info on it a year or two ago and came up blank.
Last edited by Kruszer on Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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