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Sir Amyas Leigh
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At least this dude had actual child porn in his.... 'collection' (felt really weird typing that). That is an actual crime that should be punished. But I don't think they should include the 'virtual' images in the charges, because they are just friggin lines on a page... ah well.
I don't think you can compare the case in the last paragraph to the one the majority of the article is addressing (well i guess they're both australian) because the one guy had actual child pornography. I'm no lolicon, but I really fear what laws governments might try to enact because they can get away with this. Its only a short step away from burning books and people simply for going against what is the Majority's Morals. Freaking creepy. |
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Mad_Scientist
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Not surprising considering virtual images alone have gotten Australians into trouble before. Still, yet another case of drawings being equated with real life child abuse is not a good thing, and there's also this:
Stories? So you don't even need a drawing now. How wonderful. I understand in Canada it's already like that, but this is the first time I've heard about Australia going as far as to ban even non visual stories. |
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TitanXL
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All those Naruto x Sasuke fanfics are now child porn. Suddenly millions of girls are child molesters. |
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jsc315
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This from the the country that ban women being in porn for having small breasts and look young, in fear of child porn. This sound just about right.
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DanielJr
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Mad_Scientist
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Did they actually go through with that? Last I recall some lawmaker or whatever was trying to get that done, but I can't remember if it ever became law. |
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Spotlesseden
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i learned not to buy or download any manga with small female characters(you don;t know what's inside the manga). You can run into problem in US or Canada too.
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-11/christopher-handley-sentenced-to-6-months-for-obscene-manga http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/27/u-s-citizen-arrested-in-canada-for-manga-on-laptop-faces-minim/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVswNV9R0ug |
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bemused Bohemian
Posts: 404 Location: central Mizzou (Moral Oralville) |
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Twenty years ago I took a grad-level child psychology course here in the US with several secondary and special ed educators working toward their Masters degrees in Teaching. One of the topics of discussion was what effect pornographic pictures or images would impress upon children or young adults if viewed either accidentally or sought after to develop a more prurient interest. Would they act out and pursue a victim to satisfy an urge from the suggestion of what they saw or would they just choose to remain insular but somewhat excited and tintillated?
Two teachers did similar classroom projects trying to determine if indeed a causal relationship could be established from the activity of viewing a lot of porn to actually committing the actions of rape or incest. Both cited scholarly and medical studies from several sources at that time and both found from the research sources that such viewings had zero effect influencing future character traits regarding sexual misbehavior of younger and older adults toward children or people within their age cohort. This was back in 1998 when concern about such activity on or near school properties was a paramount interest. The concern about child safety hasn't dimmed although I wonder if fear hasn't subjugated logic as far as these rulings are concerned. I don't think humanity has fallen to deeper depths of depravity, real or imaginary, since then?? |
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Errinundra
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A couple of things.
1) The article said something that, while arguably true, is very misleading:
Yes, the Northern Territory is part of Australia, however (with a provisos I'll explain) the Federal Government has no power whatsoever to make laws about sexual offences or about censorship. Section 51 of the Australian Constitution lays down the specific areas that the Commonwealth of Australia can make laws. Crimes against the person and censorship are not included. It's the various states that have limitless power to make laws (except where their laws contradict laws made by the Commonwealth under s51, and only so far as the specific condradictions). First proviso is that the NT isn't a state - it's a territory of the Commonwealth. However, in the interests of equality, the Commonwealth has devolved many powers to the NT assembly, which is left to make its own laws. That doesn't stop the Commonwealth from overriding NT law, such as when the NT made euthanasia legal. If my state - Victoria - made euthanasia legal the Federal Government could do nothing about it, much as when we decriminalised abortion. Second proviso is that, under the auspices of the Federal Government, the states and territories often get together to standardise laws across the country. This happened with censorship in recent times. We've ended up with a censorship regime that is too lax for conservative states such as Queensland and too restrictive for more open-minded states like Victoria or Australia's other large territory - the Australian Capital Territory. 2) In the 80s some in-laws had a record store in a fashionable shopping strip in Melbourne (Chapel St, Prahran to be precise). The also sold T-shirts. One of the items depicted Donald Duck, Daisy Duck, Huey, Dewey and Louie indulging in incest, oral sex and anal sex. Would H, D and L be considered children? Clearly, being a cartoon is no longer a defence. Mind you, I'm sure the Disney Corporation wouldn't have approved. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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This is very backwards, but I've always wondered why it was okay for these Twilight Mom's to like the obviously under age male character's in that show, but if we turn that around, it's not okay (rightfully so, but you see where I am coming with this.) Oh the fun I could have with this, but I think I'll leave it there. But to me it (the whole situation) makes as much sense as telling a person it's okay to do action, yet if it's done by another group of people it's not okay. |
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Spotlesseden
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nothing is created equal. If a female has manga with little boy having sex with his sister or other female + images that show the little boy's penis. Nothing will happen to them. we just have to deal with it and be smart. |
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TheAncientOne
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That part sent a chill up my spine. When you can be prosecuted for words on a page, it is a sure sign the law has gone off the deep end. The only "bright spot" in this is the guy had actual child porn, so he was going to be prosecuted anyway. |
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Kaze-Ouji
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"...and broke into tears..."
Oh media reporters. "...or being shown in other degrading contexts..." in addition to the small breasts ban, it looks like the Australian market for japanese media is losing its home. (Is Bleach going to get banned too? In the volume Hiyori shows up, she gets a kotcha from Shinji...) |
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Mad_Scientist
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Did some checking up, and it seems the "small breast" ban may not be entirely true. http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/29/has-australia-really-banned-small-breasts/ Apparently, it's not small breasts specifically that's banned from porn, just people who look like they are under 18 (even if they really aren't). Of course breast size would be a factor in the board's decision as to whether someone looks like they are under 18, I imagine. Not sure the actual rules are any better, but I thought I'd post this anyways. But I guess it makes sense that if they are going to ban porn drawings that are of minors or characters that look like minors, they'd also ban porn of real life people who look like minors. |
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AnimeGuy1
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This is so stupid, so now drawn images and stories are equal to real life images of child pornography? WTF. What kind of back wards place is Australia! If the guy had real child porn then by all means lock him up, but fake drawn stuff, really!?
Yes its disgusting but its not real, not only that but stories are now being counted. At what point is the line drawn? |
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