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GATSU
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:41 am
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If the Japanese don't want nukes, they need to stop letting their neo-nationalists re-write the constitution.
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smoochy
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:15 pm
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Maybe we'll finally get the last six volumes released over here. Hurry up with that, Last Gasp!
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Gage
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:21 pm
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I don't understand. I'm having trouble understanding why there are two meetings being mentioned. Help, please.
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Ninja337
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:19 pm
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GATSU wrote: | If the Japanese don't want nukes, they need to stop letting their neo-nationalists re-write the constitution. |
Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea and China have nuclear weapons, and 2 of those countries want to blow Japan off the face of the map. There is a power struggle raging on in East Asia as China grows in power. I think Japan needs to get over the past and keep growing in power to check the Banana Republic of China.
tldr; STFU
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GATSU
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:28 pm
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Ninja:
Quote: | Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea and China have nuclear weapons, and 2 of those countries want to blow Japan off the face of the map. |
If Japan did confronted its war crimes, instead of increasing tensions between its Asian neighbours by denying them, it wouldn't have to worry about getting nuked.
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Egan Loo
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:57 pm
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Gage wrote: | I don't understand. I'm having trouble understanding why there are two meetings being mentioned. Help, please. |
The meeting in Vienna over the next two weeks is the "first preparatory committee meeting" for the actual review conference in 2010.
That's right. They're having a meeting…about having a meeting.
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Gage
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:45 pm
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Egan Loo wrote: |
Gage wrote: | I don't understand. I'm having trouble understanding why there are two meetings being mentioned. Help, please. |
The meeting in Vienna over the next two weeks is the "first preparatory committee meeting" for the actual review conference in 2010.
That's right. They're having a meeting…about having a meeting. |
That's what I figured. Thanks for the help!
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Ninja337
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:44 pm
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GATSU wrote: | Ninja:
Quote: | Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea and China have nuclear weapons, and 2 of those countries want to blow Japan off the face of the map. |
If Japan did confronted its war crimes, instead of increasing tensions between its Asian neighbours by denying them, it wouldn't have to worry about getting nuked. |
They have confronted their war crimes already. Tanaka and later Murayama gave out official apologies and compensation has been given out. You are probably thinking of Shinzo Abe recently denying the Japanese put women into sex slavery. The whole issue was overblown by the Chinese and Koreans who are looking to antagonize the Japanese, just like in the Yasukuni Shrine controversy.
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dormcat
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:07 pm
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Ninja337 wrote: | The whole issue was overblown by the Chinese and Koreans who are looking to antagonize the Japanese, just like in the Yasukuni Shrine controversy. |
Replace "Chinese and Koreans" with "Jews, Gypsies and Poles," "Japanese" with "Nazi Germany," and "Yasukuni Shrine" with "Auschwitz." If you think they are not comparable, or that the new sentence after the replacement is still justifiable, then I've got nothing more to say.
And you'd better learn 1) what a "Banana Republic" stands for and 2) which country in East Asia is often represented or iconized with banana.
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Ninja337
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:48 pm
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dormcat wrote: |
Ninja337 wrote: | The whole issue was overblown by the Chinese and Koreans who are looking to antagonize the Japanese, just like in the Yasukuni Shrine controversy. |
Replace "Chinese and Koreans" with "Jews, Gypsies and Poles," "Japanese" with "Nazi Germany," and "Yasukuni Shrine" with "Auschwitz." If you think they are not comparable, or that the new sentence after the replacement is still justifiable, then I've got nothing more to say.
And you'd better learn 1) what a "Banana Republic" stands for and 2) which country in East Asia is often represented or iconized with banana. |
The Japanese weren't looking to wipe the Chinese and Koreans off the face of the planet, while the Nazis were looking to exterminate the Jews, among other people. The Yasukuni Shrine is also an important shrine in the Shinto religion, Auschwitz was a concentration camp. At Yasukuni, Koizumi or Abe could be praying for the people that died in the fricking Boshin War for all we know. Comparing the Japanese to the Nazis is not fair, even by Tojo or Hirohito's standards. The reason the Chinese make a big deal out of the Yasukuni visits is because they want to gain military control over all of Asia, and they see a militant Japan as a threat to that goal. If anyone's a Nazi in East Asia, It's the Chinese. They are handing out persecutions left and right, and they are claiming ownership of places that are clearly not Chinese land.
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GATSU
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:25 am
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Ninja:
Quote: | The Japanese weren't looking to wipe the Chinese and Koreans off the face of the planet, |
Why does the end matter more than the means?
Quote: | The Yasukuni Shrine is also an important shrine in the Shinto religion, |
Then apparently, they've corrupted the entire point of Shinto by honoring war criminals.
Quote: | Auschwitz was a concentration camp. |
I'm sure if the Japanese nationalists could claim Nanjing as their own, they'd probably be honoring it, instead of the shrine.
Quote: | At Yasukuni, Koizumi or Abe could be praying for the people that died in the fricking Boshin War for all we know. |
Yes, but his prayers go out to people who don't deserve it.
Quote: | Comparing the Japanese to the Nazis is not fair, even by Tojo or Hirohito's standards. |
Why? Because they didn't murder as many people? Genocide is genocide.
Quote: | The reason the Chinese make a big deal out of the Yasukuni visits is because they want to gain military control over all of Asia, and they see a militant Japan as a threat to that goal. |
The Chinese have economic power now; so they don't need military power.
I'm guessing what really pisses them off is that Japan wants to establish political and economic relations with them, but keeps rubbing them the wrong way.
Quote: | If anyone's a Nazi in East Asia, It's the Chinese. They are handing out persecutions left and right, and they are claiming ownership of places that are clearly not Chinese land. |
I'm not really on the side of China, either, but at least they're not hypocrites claiming they want peace, and then instigating war.
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