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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:45 am
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Personally, I don't need a new Miyazaki. I just need more great anime directors. Hayao Miyazaki has earned his reputation and admiration among fans with his talent and dedication, but I have been more impressed by the work from Isao Takahata, Mamoru Oshii and Satoshi Kon.
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andyos
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:47 am
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"it's time to accept that The Next Miyazaki has become nothing but a creatively hollow marketing term that has no place in fan and critic discourse."
I don't care for the phrase myself, but I don't buy the conclusion. Here's a suggestion for the minimum criteria for a 'next Miyazaki' - someone in anime with a magic popular touch who can consistently appeal to mainstream audiences beyond otaku; someone with the bubbling, spontaneous imagination to unite kids and adults in wonder.
That's more filled out than 'Popular Anime Director Well Regarded By Casual Viewers,' and it doesn't reduce Miyazaki to 'his fame alone.' Nor does it demand that future directors imitate Miyazaki's films.
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mgosdin
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:07 pm
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To be honest, I would rather see these directors, or any other anime directors that might have the "Next" label tossed at them, turn out the best films that they can make. Not in competition with anyone else. Not to succeed anyone else. Not to fill anybody's shoes.
Those films will have the impact, the popularity, the fame and all else will come in it's due time.
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Parsifal24
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:36 pm
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I always felt bad that Makoto Shinkai got the "next Miyazaki" label thrown at him as he is completely different artist. Isao Takahata never getting his due always kind of stung as honestly I feel he is the better director as well.
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xchampion
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:12 pm
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There will always be only "One" Miyazaki and I feel bad for these great animators being compared to someone that they will never really live up to. They probably feel flattered by the comparison, but all them probably just want to make their own name, which they have for the most part. I suppose they will never truly be able to escape the Miyazaki name though.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:27 pm
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I still member this little bit:
It is always a bad idea to assign lofty titles to creators. Especially the hyperbolic ones, and it will get worse if they will start to eat up the hype themselves. And who was the "Next Tezuka" anyway?
PS: I will presume that the US lost the "War on Big Fat". Lol.
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Jonny Mendes
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:50 pm
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I don't get it. Why must be a "Next Hayao Miyazaki"?
He one of the best. He had his time, his great movies and his success.
What we need is great directors. Not someone that will be "like Miyazaki".
Someone that will bring something different that will shake the anime world would be better that a "next Miyazaki".
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:04 pm
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Why would we even need another Miyazaki, is it because he has international acclaim, and his films are easier to market for a foreign market? Because when it comes quality, it's not like his films differ from many over famous Anime directors, his just have that Disney whimsical charm.
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Videogamep
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:20 pm
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It sounds like Hayao Miyazaki is the next Hayao Miyazaki. He's gotten really bad at retiring.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:30 pm
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MarshalBanana wrote: | Why would we even need another Miyazaki, is it because he has international acclaim, and his films are easier to market for a foreign market? |
That's what it essentially boils down to. His movie are popular with tons of non-anime fans. Considering his vocal disapproval of otaku culture he's probably the only anime director whose works closer resemble work from Disney and Pixar over other anime in terms of content level, especially his post Spirited Away work which is a lot tamer. You cant exactly market Kon or most other anime to kids or the mainstream.
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Blackiris_
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:12 pm
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The discussion about the next Miyazaki is just a meaningless as the discussion about the next Tolkien. Pure marketing terms without any meaning. And this isn't something to aspire, anyway. Shinkai said so himself in a recent interview.
Quote: | That's what it essentially boils down to. His movie are popular with tons of non-anime fans. Considering his vocal disapproval of otaku culture he's probably the only anime director whose works closer resemble work from Disney and Pixar over other anime in terms of content level, especially his post Spirited Away work which is a lot tamer. You cant exactly market Kon or most other anime to kids or the mainstream. |
I wouldn't quite agree; there are tons of family friendly anime out there, many of them a lot closer to what Disney does than Miyazaki's works, who are inherently different in many points (i.e. absence of clear antagonist or good/evil, or the existence of functional families) than what Disney is known for, anyway.
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EricJ2
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:22 pm
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Have to remember, the Miyazaki we GOT started out as the director of Lupin III, Panda Go Panda and Sherlock Hound, then moved on to his Big Artistic Epic and settled down into his own style.
Most directors who break out of TV (and the otaku-stigma of doing "commercial" work) never get past the Obnoxiously-Artsy stage once they go to features, to reach that third Miyazaki plane.
Usually, like Mamoru Oshii, they get obnoxiously artsy on the TV series they're working on, use the TV-series feature as their Big Confusingly Artistic Break, and stay at that Artsy-Indulgent phase.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:27 pm
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Blackiris_ wrote: | I wouldn't quite agree; there are tons of family friendly anime out there, many of them a lot closer to what Disney does than Miyazaki's works, who are inherently different in many points (i.e. absence of clear antagonist or good/evil, or the existence of functional families) than what Disney is known for, anyway. |
Which series did you have in mind? Pokemon is probably the tamest anime I can think of since they make a concious descision to appeal to foriegn audiences and even that is victim of censorship and changes. I guess I should have specificed 'without the need for censorship', since anything can be made family friendly with enough tweaks.
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Blackiris_
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:44 pm
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Stuart Smith wrote: |
Blackiris_ wrote: | I wouldn't quite agree; there are tons of family friendly anime out there, many of them a lot closer to what Disney does than Miyazaki's works, who are inherently different in many points (i.e. absence of clear antagonist or good/evil, or the existence of functional families) than what Disney is known for, anyway. |
Which series did you have in mind? Pokemon is probably the tamest anime I can think of since they make a concious descision to appeal to foriegn audiences and even that is victim of censorship and changes. I guess I should have specificed 'without the need for censorship', since anything can be made family friendly with enough tweaks.
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The were LOTS of shows based on fairy tales, or with animal protagonists in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, some of them quite like Disney works. As for recent anime, I think works like Sinbad (movie trilogy), Omae wa Umasou and Anata wo Zutto Aishiteru (especially the latter) would fall more in the line of Disney than, say, Ponyo, Kiki, or Totoro which are Miyazaki's works aimed at younger children. I don't really see many similarities to Disney other than the fact that both are made for children.
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Jose Cruz
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:48 pm
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Shinkai is the next one due to Your Name's box office success. But he will never equal Miyazaki, because Miyazaki is the most versatile animation director ever.
Now, Disney? That's an entertainment corporation. Miyazaki is an artist. That's like comparing Kurosawa with Universal Studios, Disney made a few dozen animated movies but that's completely besides the point, Miyazaki's work is complex and sophisticated, he is the greatest genius who ever worked in animation in all of human history and so forever be the most influential animator who ever existed, to compare his work with some rather simple entertainment products made by a corporation just because its family friendly and popular? To me that sounds absurd.
The name most comparable to Miyazaki in Hollywood is perhaps Stanley Kubrick due to the quality and versatility of his movies, although very different styles: Miyazaki is a humanist and loves innocent and pure young characters while Kubrick was cynical, bitter and nihilistic and liked to show the worst side of humanity. Miyazaki was a bit nihilistic in his Nausicaa manga but never in his movies.
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