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anime racket
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There can never be a universally hated anime series;
one that everyone in all parts of the world rejects, because every anime series ever released has at least a few fans. As a result of this deciding that a show is the "worst ever" can only be a subjective argument. The opposite is true when trying to decide what the best anime series of all time is. Also, trying to judge anime by an objective mathematical scale of quality is impossible because anime is an art form rather than a science. This is why saying that a series is the best or worst will inevitably tick off several people. Go ahead, just try it in these forums. You will see what I mean. Do you agree? |
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Sebow
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I agree to a certain extent, but I feel that kind of philosophical angling is too much of a matter of definition.
Yes, someone may blurt out "This anime is the worst ever", yet someone may have been in a certain stage in life where they found it refreshing, or even was taught lessons from it. However I think it's safe to say that by statistical inquiry, you can safely assert two things: "There will be anime that -most people- agree on are some of the best out there" and "There will be anime that -most people- out there agree on are some of the worst out there" I mainly use reviews, ratings etc. as a guide to sort out the bad from the good, however always respect your own tastes and opinions the most, after all you're the viewer. 
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anime racket
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@Sebow, Yes, that's definitely true that your own tastes
and opinions matter the most when deciding which shows to watch, although I enjoy reading reviews. btw, sorry if I came across as an elitist snob in my first post, I was just musing and wondered what other people thought on the subject. Do you get annoyed when somebody says a show is the best ever or the worst ever? |
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Sebow
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That depends entirely on the person, I have a lot of friends who are also very immersed in the anime scene. And whether I actually listen to their recommendations or not depends on my past experiences with whether I agree with them or not, I mean: If somebody has told me five times "This is the best anime ever!" and I watch it and find out, you know what? I really like this, yes then I'm inclined to also listen to his recommendation a sixth time. However I also have friends who have completely diverse tastes than me, and it's not that they're not intellectual types (well some of them aren't), we just differ in our tastes, and I'm very unlikely to listen to their recommendations. Personally I'm actually the type of guy to say "This is the best anime ever!" a lot if I really like an anime, not so much because it's true, simply because some anime just makes me realize how much I just love anime, and then I say stuff like that. Edit: And no you didn't come off as an elitist snob at all.
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TitanXL
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So in other words, people on the internet are ignorant and use hyperbolic comments with zero thought put into logical deduction or perspective and such? Of course.
Anytime someone says "Anime X is the worst anime ever" then they kind of set themselves up for defeat and to not be taken seriously. Let's look at Bleach. Do you honestly feel Bleach is literally the worst anime ever made? Wouldn't you think it'd be some obscure anime from the, say, 70s, that no one remembers? Because as they say, the worst thing in the entertainment industry is to not be talked about, so I hardly think one of the most popular series can be considered the 'worst ever'. I mean, popularity alone dictates it has tons of fans and it appeals to a lot of people. Or another popular example in books: Twilight gets bashed, but seriously, you'd say that book is the 'worst ever'? Not some hack airport novel from decades ago no one knows of? Well, if you truly think that... I'd like to visit your little world. Where as "best ever" is usually just hype. Usually after having seen it and it's still fresh in your memory. It's why each season there's some 'best anime ever'. Or nostalgia, on the flip side.. usually some show they saw as a kid and have fond memories of, but when you watch it now you realize it's a product of it's time. I'd even stretch it so far as to say there's not even really any 'bad shows'. I mean, I always see people bash the crap out of various stuff each season and how it's garbage, except I see a lot of people who do like it, myself included, and I just shrug. Sort of like people who say 'everything this season is garbage' or 'there's only one good show this season'. When you get to that, then it's quite clear the problem is with you, not anime, because everything will appeal to someone, and those shows have lots of viewers so clearly people are finding it enjoyable. The only really thing we can say is 'bad' is technical stuff; stuff that is objective. Is the animation competent? Or does it go off model every other scene and look like it was animated by South Park's animators? Is the editing competent? Are scenes somehow out of order because someone fell asleep at the editing table and had to throw all the scenes together at the last second? Stuff like that. Anime is one of the hardest things to judge in any kind of objective scale. |
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Sebow
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I never said people on the internet are ignorant, or that they put zero thought into logical deduction or their perspectives, or that their cognitive assertion equals that of an ashtray. I'm just saying, from experience, I prefer listening to my friends recommend anime to me, I mean, I met my friends and liked them based on first impression because of common ground and interests, right? It's really just my preferred way of getting recommendations, to listen to what my friends have to say, because I know who they are, and I know where they're coming from, I'm not gonna know who some stranger on the internet is (at least till I get to know them), I won't even know whether he's just saying "This is the worst anime ever" to be a troll. |
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EireformContinent
 Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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Person with average intelligence should assume that everyone speak from his POV. Adding IMHO on the beginning of every sentence would seem awful. I don't feel need to get into people's head and wonder what good they find in series where I see mostly cons. People who managed to learn how to read should have enough reason to focus on arguments and decide if mentioned factors are important or not.
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GeminiDS85
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@ anime racket
I invite you to ruminate on this question: why do individuals cling to assessments of quality? |
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Sebow
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That's where we have a completely different way of perceiving the world. I do not see entertainment as something that needs bullet precision arguments to motivate myself to watch it, it's entertainment, I watch it because of the immersion and impact it's gonna have on -me-. |
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killmyself
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So you say that opinions vary; I disagree sir.
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ArsenicSteel
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I ignore most hyperbole like "best ever" or "worst ever" from individuals but I do think metrics can be used to determine what shows are generally well received or held in low regard.
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naninanino
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People who say that are always the ones who haven't really seen that much anime or fake politeness. There really are shows that are just that bad. You just don't usually hear anyone talking about those.
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Sebow
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Yeah but you kind of have to ask yourself, they're bad by what standards? Bad in terms of character interaction? Bad in terms of mechanics? Bad in terms of plotting and storyline? Bad because of the wrap-up? Bad because they're not intellectually challenging you? Yes there are shows out there that are, well, terribly offending to the intellectual caliber of the viewer. However, I occasionally enjoy watching anime series which has as its very core motif: Cleavage, why? Because I'm in the mood for the hot. Or sometimes I enjoy watching a really terrible show with friends and enjoy it ironically. |
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EireformContinent
Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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^This
Giving my opinion about anime I try to describe all important factors- my mood, comparison to other series, personal tastes, analysis of elements important to me. Sometimes show lacking in many areas have a factor that attached me emotionally so much that the rest is unimportant, but sometimes even the prefect show seems empty to me. That what bothers me is the last sentence: people rarely admit that they see stupid parts, but generally like it. They'd rather rationalise and convince everyone that they watch just the best quality stuff. |
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Sebow
Posts: 62 Location: Denmark |
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Really? Has anime just become a thing, a dialect, where we try to prove that we're people of sound judgment, with a good sense of taste? No thanks, I'm not gonna feel ashamed if I watch something that people think is terribly retarded and I end up enjoying it. |
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