Forum - View topicVan Helsing movie....?
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jaguar_cult
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To me it seems that this new Van Helsing movie is ripping off a little from Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust.
Does anyone notice some of the similarities in the trailer etc..? Or maybe its vice versa if Van Helsing is based off some old vampire novel. It also seemed that Guillermo Del Toro stole some ideas from Bloodlust when he did Blade 2, like the dude with the big hammer, I thought Blade 2 totally sucked anyways. |
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Tempest
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Similarities do not equal rip off. With so many different movies, animations and what not coming out every year, its unavoidable that some of them will have a few similarities in them. Ripping off is when something is clearly copied and is so similar that it could not be coincidense. Niche fans (be they anime fans or sci-fi) have this habit of calling everything that is remotely similar to one of their titles a "rip off" this is not to say that rip-offs don't happen (Cimba / Kimba) but just not everything is a rip off.
-.-; Van Hellsing was the man who hunted Dracula in Bram Stokes Dracula. Bram Stokes did not invent vampires, nor did he invent Dracula, but he did invent Hellsing, and his book has been hugely influential on subsequent Vampiric stories. For the historic, non-fictional history of "Dracula" I suggest you look up "Vlad Tepes." -t |
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jaguar_cult
Posts: 9 Location: Aztlan |
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I do not agree with you on this.
The "similarities" are greater than "coincidence", and are out right "rip" offs. Is anime "niche" anymore? Maybe like 20yrs. ago. I am very well aware of who Vlad Tepes is(beat the crap out of the Turks), and who Van Helsing is in the Bram Stoker novel; but I thought that maybe the Van Helsing character had his own novel which the movie is based on. When you take "concept(s)" from another work, whether it is art, music, or story; then it becomes what ever you want to call it, in my case a "rip"-off. Hollywood does this a lot. |
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the_soultaker
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Well, according to the box office returns,not to mention tremendous DVD sales and the demand for another sequel, your opinion is obviously in the minority. 
And there are those that would say that the Hellsing anime ripped off a few elements from the Blade series. coincidence? you decide. |
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GATSU
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Technically, VHD would be a rip-off of Blade the comic, although Blade 2 almost ripped off VHD by also calling itself Bloodlust. You should be checking out the summary for Blade 3 though. It supposedly takes place in a post-apocalyptic world where vampires run the show. At least I think that was the original premise.
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the_soultaker
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Actually it was called Bloodpack, not bloodlust. and it's true, there are simularities between blade and VHD.
As for the premise of Blade 3 (Trinity); http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17069 |
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Fandrez
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Hey hey, i was wondering if by some chance that Van Hellsing and Hellsing the anime are related... I mean... I haven't seen Hellsing and I don't think I'll be watching the 2 anytime soon.
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Tempest
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Anime makes up some 5~6% of the North American home video market, less than 1% of the North American TV market and less than .01% of the North American Movie market. It's Niche.
I agree 100% . But its extremely easy to make something similar without ever having seen the show that yours is being compared to. Personally I didn't find Blade 2 very similar to Bloodlust at all, I haven't seen Van Hellsing so I have no comment there, other than to point out that the Hellsing manga and Van Hellsing are both inspired by the same classic piece of fiction and there will obviously be some similarities because of that. |
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Tempest
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Van Hellsing is the Van Hellsing from Bram Stokes Dracula. The Hellsings in the Hellsing manga are decendants of Bram Stokes Hellsing. As I said before, both take some elements from said classic fiction. |
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jaguar_cult
Posts: 9 Location: Aztlan |
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Like I said, I THOUGHT Blade 2 sucked, not what the rest of U.S. thought.
I think Del Toro is overrated. The first Blade was an action masterpiece. I can only hope that the 3rd installment will be better than the second. Throwing around low DVD sales statistics does not mean that something is "niche". Pokemon..., Card Captors, Yugioh, Dragon Ball, I would'nt call that niche whether their DVD sales are low or not. Its obvious that Blade 2 and Bldlust are not similar; I said that Del Toro got some of his ideas from the movie. Some of these arguments are pretty amigious; won't post here again. |
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Tempest
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There are elements of Anime, particular the items that you've mentionned that have made it to the mainstream. But for the most part, anime remains a niche market in North America. DVD sales on their own do not prove this, but they do support it. Anime is still a specialized market, with the exception of a few titles, the majority of sales of Anime DVDs go to the same small number of people. As long as a comparitively small number of people continue to make up comparitively larger percentage of a market, its niche. Comparing it to other similar markets, in this case the rest of the entertainment industry. Other factors that define a niche market are the fact that it remains for the most part the domain of a small number of specialty companies. Bandai, ADV, Tokyopop, Viz and so on, these are all specialty companies servicing a niche market. There are of course exceptions, such as Go Fish, but even then, Go Fish is Dreamworks' "niche market lable." Of course, the best support for calling anime a niche market can be found in a dictionary, - A focused, targetable portion of a market. - A situation or activity specially suited to a person's interests, abilities, or nature: found her niche in life. - A special area of demand for a product or service. - A group whose needs are not being addressed by mainstream providers. Anime is growing, and it is making many inroads into the mainstream, but for the most part its still, unquestionably, a niche market. -t |
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littlegreenwolf
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I don't know how old the Blade comics are, but aren't the VHD novels older? |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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*sigh*
The Van Helsing film is not based on the anime series Hellsing. They both pull from the same source: Bram Stoker. Discussion of the movie, therefore, is OFF TOPIC for this forum, and will be locked. (There, is that a bit better?) |
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