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tekkenite



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:00 am Reply with quote
My opinion? I think it's bad. Why?
1. You're reading other people's opinions on the anime, i.e., reading someone else's ideas (which you would often dislike) other than the actual ideas of the director
2. I don't particularly like yaoi or shounen ai, which many people seem to infuse within their writing, again drawing in their ideas
3. Your views of the anime will be infected - you may recall a fanfiction every time you think of a certain anime, instead of thinking of the actual contents.
4. Someone introducing ideas of the anime that you don't like may cast doubt into your mind, and you may begin to dislike certain aspects of the show. e.g., if an author portrays your favourite character badly, you may begin to dislike that character
5. Almost all fanfictions are badly written, and it is often...not very good when they introduce OOC statements or make up idiotic ideas, such as a main character dying, ridiculous character relationships or yaoi/shounen ai/shoujo ai.

Conclusion: I would say that in order not to spoil anime for YOU (that's right, YOU! Forget other people's ideas completely.), DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, read fanfiction based on your favourite anime. Doubt is your worst enemy, and is what is contained in every fanfiction story.

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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:25 am Reply with quote
Well gee, why don't we all stop talking about our faveorite anime all together to protect ourselves from other people's views and opinions.
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tekkenite



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:29 am Reply with quote
littlegreenwolf wrote:
Well gee, why don't we all stop talking about our faveorite anime all together to protect ourselves from other people's views and opinions.


Well gee, why don't we learn to spell to stop people from flaming us, huh?
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:58 am Reply with quote
tekkenite wrote:
littlegreenwolf wrote:
Well gee, why don't we all stop talking about our faveorite anime all together to protect ourselves from other people's views and opinions.


Well gee, why don't we learn to spell to stop people from flaming us, huh?


Hey, you asked for the views of people. Sorry if one little mispelt word automatically voids my view to you. Sorry if I’ve just recently woken up and it’s 5 in the morning here. If you’re going to flame a person’s response to your question that you don’t like, you better be prepared for some locking. I stated my view. But since that obviously wasn't a good enough explanation for you, I'll attempt to go into deeper terms for you before I have to run off to school and learn to spell.

Anime fanfiction is mainly the result of crazed fangirls who can't draw their own doujinshi. They get these funky plot ideas involving characters, and want to write them down and share them with other fangirls who share their own views. It's a giant community, and it's scary, but it happens. 80% Of the anime fangirls out there LOVE putting together couples out of the characters in a show, and fanfiction is just the outlet for their imagination, especially when the show their writing about is long dead.

Also, if you have watched all of a certain anime, you aren't really spoiling anything when reading fanfiction unless you have some virgin pure eyes or something that you don't want tainted by the opinions of others. If that is the case, avoid talking about your favorite anime with others.

If you don't like it, the answer to what you should do is simple: Don't read it.
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Legato 2057



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:03 am Reply with quote
Tekkenite:
While I personally agree with you on fanfiction, it is not your place (or mine), to tell someone to read or not to read fanfiction.
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Daimonwrath



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:23 am Reply with quote
It seems to me that "fanfiction" represents everyting in states in the word. Yes your favorite series will tend to be more opinionated than not but I say, so what?

If people want to find different sources of something they enjoy, more power to them.

For those that are gathering facts from them as a result, take everything with a grain of salt unless its the writer explaining it to you directly.

-Oh yeah and keep the luv, flame wars blow.

D.W.
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cyrax777



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:29 am Reply with quote
there good for a laugh every now and then Esspacly the realy bad H ones.
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lianncoop
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:41 am Reply with quote
Perhaps wording this thread in a more...question-like format would've had a more dicussion generating effect. Just a thought for the next time you start a thread... Wink

Fanfiction is a way for people to burn off all that time that they obviously have WAY too much of. Read it or don't. It's your choice. I see fanfiction as more of a way to entertain the author themselves, rather than to really entertain masses of people.
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Carol Maxwell



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:00 pm Reply with quote
tekkenite wrote:
1. You're reading other people's opinions on the anime, i.e., reading someone else's ideas (which you would often dislike) other than the actual ideas of the director


Well, different people have different ideas about anime. When the anime is made, they aren't going to answer ALL the questions, kind o' hard. But, they could raise some interesting questions about the characters, plot, and all the good stuff that goes into anime.

tekkenite wrote:
2. I don't particularly like yaoi or shounen ai, which many people seem to infuse within their writing, again drawing in their ideas


As littlegreenwolf put it, rabid fangirls. But, there is no real problem with yaoi or yuri, just as long as the series implied/had those couples.

tekkenite wrote:
Conclusion: I would say that in order not to spoil anime for YOU (that's right, YOU! Forget other people's ideas completely.), DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, read fanfiction based on your favourite anime. Doubt is your worst enemy, and is what is contained in every fanfiction story.


Believe it or not, there is some decent fanfiction out there, unfortunately, there is more bad then good. But, if ya don't read around, you're not going to find the good stuff. But, you shouldn't let other people's opinions from fanfictions, or sometimes even reveiws of an anime, change your opinion of an anime.

lianncoop wrote:
Fanfiction is a way for people to burn off all that time that they obviously have WAY too much of. Read it or don't. It's your choice. I see fanfiction as more of a way to entertain the author themselves, rather than to really entertain masses of people.


Isn't that kind of how anime is? One person likes it while another doesn't and it entertains the person that enjoys it. Just a thought there, but, fanfiction, depending on who's writing it can be good or bad. But, people's opinion of the fanfiction can very from person to person. So, in a way, fanfiction is almost like a continuation of the anime, only, a lot different, and at some points, more interesting. [/quote]
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Proman



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:15 pm Reply with quote
I personnaly don't think that there's nything wrong with fanfiction. I enjoy reading it. A lot of funfiction is, actually, suprisingly well-written. Plus with sites like Media Miner, there are a lot of different things to choose from and you can often tell just by reading other people's comment's whether something's worth reading or not. You can also leave your own comments and suggestions to the author which is really cool.
Pardon me, but it seems to me that you not liking fan fiction comes from your elitist "don't mess with my anime" attitude.
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eva05
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:48 pm Reply with quote
Most talented folks get their start writing appendations to other people's stuff. Gainax, Studio Nue, etc have all had their backgrounds creating fan sictions, hentai, yaoi, doujinshi(sp?) etc.

Not to mention that 99% of the time anime series are not directed by one individual, but sets of them. More importantly serials tend to have entirely different creative minds behind them from season to season!

Look at Gundam! (0083 and 0079 had nothing to do with Tomino and they were great!)

There is potential for everything. Ideas are infections...they spread from person to person. That's why we have art. To share our feelings. You can call that a virus or whatever you prefer. Obviously, just like professional productions, not everything will be to your liking. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

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Craeyst Raygal



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:26 pm Reply with quote
eva05 has the right idea. Fanfiction is basically the written version of doujinshi, and there's good and bad examples. Some are written for kicks, some are written to explore aspects of characters that may have been overlooked, some are written simply to masturbate.

Same as doujinshi.

And, take this into consideration, both CLAMP and Hajime Katoki started off doing doujinshi. It was the fact that they were plainly good at it that allowed them to move on to bigger things. Once there's an example of a fanfiction author getting their original works published, I'll let you know.
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eva05
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Hell dude

I used to write my own StarbLazers comics when I was a kid and write Dr Who fan fictions/stories. Today I work in the industry. Hopefully one day one of my series will get picked up. I've written 3 originals, plus 2 movies and a game Anime exclamation

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king_micah



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:56 pm Reply with quote
Heck, The Ring of Fire is mostly fanfiction for the 1632 series of books. The author loved the fan stuff and made it canon. Now his books have fanfic characters in them.
Most Star Trek books are fanfics too. That is perhaps why there is mostly only slash on the net, the good authors sell their books. I know the fanzine community has several authors who have gone thru it. (I can't remember who though, since most went into comics, and outta my radar).
Fanfics are also a useful exercise in thought. I used to be in with alt-history folks, and what we did was think and adapt timelines and critize them.
I have seen a mixed bag of fics myself. There are some really good Eva fanfics, some really horrid ones. DBZ has nearly no good ones, while Ranma has a really great selection. Some, like Naruto, seem to be all slash. Others, like Ranma, mostly stick to the normal pairings.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:04 pm Reply with quote
tekkenite wrote:
1. You're reading other people's opinions on the anime, i.e., reading someone else's ideas (which you would often dislike) other than the actual ideas of the director


So, by this logic, forums and reviews should be also avoided. After all, those, too, are havens for that horrible opinion concept.

tekkenite wrote:
2. I don't particularly like yaoi or shounen ai, which many people seem to infuse within their writing, again drawing in their ideas


There are some shounen-ai & shoujo-ai pairings I'm not too keen on either (some, not all; I can't stand the poorly-written, extremely out-of-character types but I enjoy the painfully rare well-written ones), but if you actually browse fanfiction sites more carefully, you'll find that the majority of authors put disclaimers when their fics contain this sort of subject matter. If you don't like it, look for the disclaimers, and avoid them. Simple.

tekkenite wrote:
3. Your views of the anime will be infected - you may recall a fanfiction every time you think of a certain anime, instead of thinking of the actual contents.


This, along with point 4, are more signs of your own insecurity than they are valid arguments against fanfiction. If your view of the anime at hand is that shaky to begin with, then it's more a personal problem than it is the fault of the fanfiction author.

tekkenite wrote:
5. Almost all fanfictions are badly written, and it is often...not very good when they introduce OOC statements or make up idiotic ideas, such as a main character dying, ridiculous character relationships or yaoi/shounen ai/shoujo ai.


This, sadly, is the only real argument you've put forth that actually has a leg to stand on. Yes, the far & wide majority of online fanfiction is piss-poor quality for many of the reasons you've listed. However, there are still several well-written ones, some of which could be considered well worth the time it took to track them down.

tekkenite wrote:
Conclusion: I would say that in order not to spoil anime for YOU (that's right, YOU! Forget other people's ideas completely.), DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, read fanfiction based on your favourite anime. Doubt is your worst enemy, and is what is contained in every fanfiction story.


This goes back to your third & fourth arguments, in that's it's more you placing your personal insecurities on others than it is you making a valid argument against fanfiction as a whole.
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