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Revan32
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:10 am
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Would have prefered "Moscow 2160" from Kumo Kagyu to get an anime adaptation
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Yune Amagiri
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:37 am
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I finished vol 4 last week and was hoping for an announcement soon.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:42 am
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Only 4 vol. in the light novels and there is already a planned anime? That is quite the quick turn-around time.
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Andrew Cunningham
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:16 am
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Looks like they're going with the awful manga designs instead of trying to get closer to so-bin's. The whole point of Garbage is that she's savage, not cute.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:29 am
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It's easily the best out of the 3 main Kumo Kagyu works but that doesn´t mean much. Another middling dark fantasy anime about cardboard cutouts goes on the pile.
What does it have to do with Wizardry, what even is Wizardry (I do know that), who knows? ZILLION was made to advertise a light gun. Asking a web novel hack to use your D&D-light brand makes much more sense.
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BalmungHHQ
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:43 am
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Andrew Cunningham wrote: | Looks like they're going with the awful manga designs instead of trying to get closer to so-bin's. The whole point of Garbage is that she's savage, not cute. |
They haven't even shown the anime's designs yet...
No need to randomly insult a mangaka.
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Andrew Cunningham
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:58 am
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BalmungHHQ wrote: |
Andrew Cunningham wrote: | Looks like they're going with the awful manga designs instead of trying to get closer to so-bin's. The whole point of Garbage is that she's savage, not cute. |
They haven't even shown the anime's designs yet...
No need to randomly insult a mangaka. |
There's a key image for the anime in this article.
And criticizing a design choice is not a personal insult (compare to residentgrigo's comments, which directly call the novel author a hack.)
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bassgs435
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:12 pm
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Andrew Cunningham wrote: |
There's a key image for the anime in this article.
And criticizing a design choice is not a personal insult (compare to residentgrigo's comments, which directly call the novel author a hack.) |
The "key image" is literally just the manga artist celebtrating. Of course it's gonna use his designs. It's the same person doing a celebration art. No indication of where the anime will go
I say the manga art is more likely. So-Bin's art is too unique for any anime to try and replicate unless it gets top tier staff. Even Overlord is very different from LN to anime. Also, regardless of design, cuteness vs savagery for Garbage will depend on how the staff depicts her and has her act in the anime. A design taking from the manga can still be made savage if she's acting the part
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SinisterOracle
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:36 pm
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I guess for some people this anime will quite literally have a lot of hot Garbage.
I shan’t be partaking in this round of cookie cutters.
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Andrew Cunningham
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:16 pm
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bassgs435 wrote: | The "key image" is literally just the manga artist celebtrating. Of course it's gonna use his designs. |
I was referring to the first one, which is the anime announcement 'teaser image.'
But after tracking down the full size image it actually looks like so-bin drew it so my initial reaction is entirely out of line.
Also if I'd realized this thread was gonna be full of people being shockingly rude about one of the best novelists in the business I wouldn't have brought that negativity in at all...
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Fluwm
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 3:36 pm
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Andrew Cunningham wrote: |
bassgs435 wrote: | The "key image" is literally just the manga artist celebtrating. Of course it's gonna use his designs. |
I was referring to the first one, which is the anime announcement 'teaser image.'
But after tracking down the full size image it actually looks like so-bin drew it so my initial reaction is entirely out of line.
Also if I'd realized this thread was gonna be full of people being shockingly rude about one of the best novelists in the business I wouldn't have brought that negativity in at all... |
Literally what are you talking about? The only person being especially negative in this thread... is you. Calling an author mid is leagues away from "shocking rudeness."
And speaking as someone who hasn't consumed any media created by this person, or based on this person's work... Goblin Slayer is that series most known for its bestiality/monster-rape fetish stuff, right? And one that, iirc, doesn't even give characters names? I dunno, man. I have a hard time imagining the person behind something like that could be considered "one of the best novelists in the business," and I'm curious why you think so. Who knows -- maybe I'm misremembering and/or conflating one series with another.
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David Matoushek
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:30 pm
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residentgrigo wrote: | It's easily the best out of the 3 main Kumo Kagyu works but that doesn´t mean much. Another middling dark fantasy anime about cardboard cutouts goes on the pile.
What does it have to do with Wizardry, what even is Wizardry (I do know that), who knows? ZILLION was made to advertise a light gun. Asking a web novel hack to use your D&D-light brand makes much more sense. |
From what I can gather, the reason why the Wizardry logo is there is because it is set in the same universe, mainly as a spin-off or an adaptation of the first batch of games. I know there won't be any certain scenes that Goblin Slayer is known for in this, but the body horror and gore may be more prevalent.
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Juno016
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 7:51 pm
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Fluwm wrote: | And speaking as someone who hasn't consumed any media created by this person, or based on this person's work... Goblin Slayer is that series most known for its bestiality/monster-rape fetish stuff, right? And one that, iirc, doesn't even give characters names? I dunno, man. I have a hard time imagining the person behind something like that could be considered "one of the best novelists in the business," and I'm curious why you think so. Who knows -- maybe I'm misremembering and/or conflating one series with another. |
I struggle to call the novels "fetish stuff" as the impression people got came primarily from the anime's first episode and possibly the manga as a whole, both of which come across a lot more explicit and sexualized than the novels (the manga especially spends a lot more pages on the throwaway sexual content). The novels hardly have anything sexually exploitative in them anymore, and the most we got in the early volumes were erie hints of something horrible, like "What happened next is only natural. They would never return, and these are goblins." Whether the novels or its characters are well-written are going to be subjective. I'm caught up and I say they're a mixed bag of really good long-form characterization and worldbuilding and such, but mixed with a lot of ugly blemishes in the short-term writing, like how the women are often introduced by the size and sway of their breasts and whatever the heck volume 16 was supposed to be. The author can write fine narratives and create fun scenarios, but he can't write female characters well (at least until he's spent a lot more time with them and they've grown out of their "everything we do revolves around GS" cycle to focus more on their personal growth) and I question his ability to write allegory into his stories in the few times he's tried. He's not a nuanced writer.
But the author is also his own worst critic and he wrote the original story with zero intent to publish it at first, so you won't see him defend his writing. He's mostly writing what he wants to, and it comes off as flawed, but earnest. A lot more subtly optimistic despite the cynical worldbuilding. It has substance, and it's a personal preference whether you can look past the misses to see it.
I haven't read this new series, but it's a consideration depending on how it's recieved. The premise alone wasn't enough to hook me. Wizardry is tied to the Goblin Slayer universe, too (the DaiKatana side story that takes place in the past revolves around Wizardry's "Dungeon of the Dead" and its mechanics), but I don't know if the author will explicitly connect the worlds because of that.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:14 pm
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Sounds interesting. Hope it gets a decent studio.
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Andrew Cunningham
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:37 pm
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Fluwm wrote: |
And speaking as someone who hasn't consumed any media created by this person, or based on this person's work... Goblin Slayer is that series most known for its bestiality/monster-rape fetish stuff, right? And one that, iirc, doesn't even give characters names? I dunno, man. I have a hard time imagining the person behind something like that could be considered "one of the best novelists in the business," and I'm curious why you think so. Who knows -- maybe I'm misremembering and/or conflating one series with another. |
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Goblin Slayer itself is very much taking a theme from fetish porn and very seriously thinking about how it would be like to live in a world where that stuff happens. The narrative structures are fairly standard adventure beats, but his prose is well above light novel level. The characters may not have names, but they're often types you never see anywhere else, and the way he handles character development and depth is frequently pretty novel, and he never takes the easy route on an emotional level. You can also get lost in weird worldbuilding if that's your thing; it's more of a nice spice.
GS is also his weakest series; the main cast are fairly static, and that didn't give him much to work with once it became an ongoing series.
Dai Katana is basically a pilot version of Blade and Bastard, and I like them both a lot more; not dealing with the goblin element likely makes them easier to take, though they're both quite dark in their own way. There's something about the way he treats the dungeons mysteries that really captures my imagination. The casts both keep what worked about the cast of GS but give them each more places to go in later volumes.
Moscow 2061 is easily his best book, and I do hope he writes a sequel someday. Getting away from the fantasy genre makes it feel more distinct, the protagonist has the strongest personalty, and there's an actual love story that really has no right to work as well as it does.
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